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Post by scenario on May 31, 2024 1:01:07 GMT
I think Hillary should be the one to lock the prison door.
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Post by nombrecomun on May 31, 2024 1:30:06 GMT
I think Hillary should be the one to lock the prison door. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jun 1, 2024 0:48:06 GMT
Trump found guilty on all counts! He's a convicted felon now. Lock him up! Lock him up! I suspect, that, even if given jail, he'll still be loose in November while he burns his appeals. Yep. And I doubt this judge will sentence harshly. At most I'm thinking 6 month house arrest. Trump has a great knack at turning this stuff around to suit him. He's already messaging hard calling this political, Biden was behind it, the judge this that or the other, it was unfair, etc....The GOP is totally behind him supporting him 100%. His fans don't care one bit. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?". He's right. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 1, 2024 3:27:49 GMT
I suspect, that, even if given jail, he'll still be loose in November while he burns his appeals. Yep. And I doubt this judge will sentence harshly. At most I'm thinking 6 month house arrest. Trump has a great knack at turning this stuff around to suit him. He's already messaging hard calling this political, Biden was behind it, the judge this that or the other, it was unfair, etc....The GOP is totally behind him supporting him 100%. His fans don't care one bit. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?". He's right. Not even something that clean. He could kick-stomp toddlers to death on live television and his baboon squad would cheer. And at least 50% of them would still cheer if it were their kids he beat to death. |
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Post by MrPicard on Jun 1, 2024 6:44:33 GMT
It's not even just his cult followers, those are thoroughly lost to any kind of reasoning anyway. No, it's now those Republican voters who are still on the fence about him (how can you still be on the fence about this guy, it boggles the mind) - they're now ALSO parroting "corrupt judge, America is done for, we need for Trump to fix things, that's it, I'm gonna vote for him now".
IT. BOGGLES. THE. MIND.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jun 1, 2024 17:42:54 GMT
It's not even just his cult followers, those are thoroughly lost to any kind of reasoning anyway. No, it's now those Republican voters who are still on the fence about him (how can you still be on the fence about this guy, it boggles the mind) - they're now ALSO parroting "corrupt judge, America is done for, we need for Trump to fix things, that's it, I'm gonna vote for him now". IT. BOGGLES. THE. MIND. Yeah....boggles my mind as well as to why they still can't see clearly but I learned a new term recently, 'low information voters', that seems to explain this issue fairly well. I suppose we are so overloaded with stuff(I can't call it legitimately 'information' or 'data') that many check out and just grab surface level understanding of an issue. And when you have someone like Trump who has a loud voice repeating the same lies over and over again it's easy for many to just accept that. He dominates airwaves and news media can't take their eyes off from him. He's good for views I suppose. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 6, 2024 2:55:01 GMT
The banality of everything is so pernicious and pervasive. The real danger of this new Trump stage we are entering is how we are just seating still like... waiting, like looking through a tiny window at a eroding mountain. Democracy is that mountain, eaten away from within.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jun 28, 2024 5:40:42 GMT
I didn't see much of the debate. Can't stand that stuff. But I understand Biden just didn't appear too well. Regardless of how incoherent Trump is he has energy. It makes him look strong.
Dang, Biden looks too damn old. That can't help him at all. I think for an 81 year old he's fantastic but I realize many Americans will only see the optics of it. Many Americans won't see that Trump probably can't answer any of those questions, talk about a coherent plan to help the country, etc...He can only point fingers and talk smack. Poorly at that. But he'll do it with the type of vitriol that gets some Americans raising their fists in unison.
I think the country better be prepared for a second Trump presidency.
I wish Biden would bail out and put Newsom in there.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 28, 2024 13:21:55 GMT
What a sad spectacle that debate was. So we are basically hostages of a disfunctional two party club of bureaucrats ser-up to milk the system.
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Post by Yorick on Jun 29, 2024 19:47:51 GMT
What a sad spectacle that debate was. So we are basically hostages of a disfunctional two party club of bureaucrats ser-up to milk the system. I actually had trouble sleeping after watching clips from the debate - and I’m in Australia! I remember high school Modern History reading about all the wrong turns and disastrous decisions of Tsar Nicholas II. Some seemed so obviously calamitous that you wanted to scream down into the history book, “What are you doing??” in the hope that he’d somehow hear. Now a future history book is the very world around me and I seem to hear future voices yelling just as incredulously. At about four in the morning I suddenly had the thought that Biden would have announced his withdrawal from the race. It would be the afternoon after the debate in the US so I grabbed my iPad and opened the New York Times. Nope. He was doubling down on running, and the MSM commentators, who’d been so aghast and dejected the night before, seemed to be slowly changing course (“and in a very leisurely manoeuvre”). Adjacent articles in the NYT web page written 24 hours apart: “To Serve His Country, Biden Must Leave The Race” and “Democrats: Stop Panicking”. The GOP will run clips from that debate right up until polls close. It doesn’t matter that most of what a Trump said was idiocy or falsehood. It doesn’t matter that Biden has better policies and a superior economic record or has “good people” around him. Perceptions matter. Biden was faced with an adversary in the same way that he might face adversaries on the world stage or in a nuclear emergency. Disaster. You can’t have that guy in charge. Trump will be the David Bradbury of this race - the winner is the one who can get to the end of more sentences without falling over. There’s enough corruption in the legal system (hello documents case, hello qualified immunity case) to assure Trump can do what he likes in a second term. Then fall Rome. And fall Rome… |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 29, 2024 22:55:54 GMT
Look, I am generally as pessimistic as they get to the point that, if the moon crashed into the Earth tomorrow, very little of actual value would be lost.
That first 15 minutes, for Biden was absolutely, unapologetically abysmal, and if the other 75 that followed were the same as that 15, I'd be on the same "replace him" train as these other people. But, by the end, he righted himself fairly well and showed up 100% Friday afternoon in NC. Trump, on the other hand, didn't acquit himself in a way that bought him anything in the end.
After the debate, Biden had a record haul, and the first poll after the debate shows that Biden lost no ground.
Why?
I think, two things. One, it's the natural backfire you create when you spend months calling your opponent senile. When the bar is on the ground it's easy to clear. Biden cleared it simply by rising from the face-planted position those first 15 put him in.
Second, Beau makes a point well and he's probably right.
As long as Biden does not continue to faceplant...as long as North Carolina on Friday Biden keeps showing up, this will be forgotten.
But, hey, let's say it isn't...
Replace him with who?
Harris? Well, Harris IS VP and is the only person with a legal right to control all that campaign money.
But Harris loses.
The people who wouldn't vote for HRC because ovaries + people who wouldn't vote for Obama because black = Harris loses.
Would she release that money to some unicorn nominee? Very likely.
But, who? Anyone you put up has baggage. Plus, the GOP gets to run on "Dems in disarray!!" An open convention to get a nominee? Fractured party and losing factions full of bad blood.
Unicorn loses.
Let us also add in how it will look to no small number of women and people of color to see Harris essentially forced out in favor of, probably Newsom. That couldn't possibly go badly, could it?
Unicorn loses.
Biden's the candidate. He might lose. A replacement almost certainly will.
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Post by scenario on Jun 29, 2024 23:46:46 GMT
I didn't bother watching the debate. It seems to me its a nice intelligent man whose slowing down vs a man who went senile years ago. Trump talking off the cuff is word salad. Biden speaks slow but what he says makes sense. The problem is that there is no good candidate. If someone invented a time machine and brought Jesus back, the Republican's would rip him to shreds. Republican's have no ideas. They only have hate.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 30, 2024 14:17:11 GMT
Beau makes a good point indeed. And yet I am not sure.
It is a complex problem. I am inclined to support that Biden should be replace by somebody else (Buttigieg, Newsom?) but I am aware that is a very slippery slope. But come to think of it, all the fodder that debate gave to Republican pundits and Trump's mobs. Picture it in your mind, in the following months we will see Republican ads playing over and over and over again that bit of Biden unable to finish a sentence. Isn't it a sign of leadership the ability to show mental acuity? Do Trump have it? Almost certainly not, but Trump is running on propaganda and fear not on a thoughtful program. Unfortunately the rules of engagement do not apply to him. So, what to do? Maybe do a reboot, surprise the enemy with the unexpected, bring a new face.. A Buttigieg/Whitmer ticket.
On the other hand... I don't know. Maybe is better to stick with Biden. It is too late to give in to Trump dirty tactics, to his criminal DNA, to the way he soiled everything. Biden should plow trough and beat him fair. If Biden quit the race it might be a sign of democrats disarray and that will be exploited by Republicans.
I don't know.
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Post by scenario on Jun 30, 2024 15:09:47 GMT
Beau makes a good point indeed. And yet I am not sure.
It is a complex problem. I am inclined to support that Biden should be replace by somebody else (Buttigieg, Newsom?) but I am aware that is a very slippery slope. But come to think of it, all the fodder that debate had given to Republican pundits and Trump's mobs. Picture it in your mind, in the following months we will see Republican adds playing over and over and over again that bit of Biden unable to finish a sentence. Isn't it a sign of leadership the ability to show mental acuity? Do Trump have it? Almost certainly not, but Trump is running on propaganda and fear not on a thoughtful program. Unfortunately the rules of engagement do not apply to him. So, what to do? Maybe do a reboot, surprise the enemy with the unexpected, bring a new face.. A Buttigieg/Whitmer ticket.
On the other hand... I don't know. Maybe is better to stick with Biden. It is too late to give in to Trump dirty tactics, to his criminal DNA, to the way he soiled everything. Biden should plow trough and beat him fair. If Biden quit the race it might be a sign of democrats disarray and that will be exploited by Republicans.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter. Republican's will lie, lie, lie no matter what. Their followers are stuck in an alternate universe full of conspiracy theories where everyone is out to get them. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jun 30, 2024 19:06:41 GMT
Beau makes a good point indeed. And yet I am not sure.
It is a complex problem. I am inclined to support that Biden should be replace by somebody else (Buttigieg, Newsom?) but I am aware that is a very slippery slope. But come to think of it, all the fodder that debate had given to Republican pundits and Trump's mobs. Picture it in your mind, in the following months we will see Republican adds playing over and over and over again that bit of Biden unable to finish a sentence. Isn't it a sign of leadership the ability to show mental acuity? Do Trump have it? Almost certainly not, but Trump is running on propaganda and fear not on a thoughtful program. Unfortunately the rules of engagement do not apply to him. So, what to do? Maybe do a reboot, surprise the enemy with the unexpected, bring a new face.. A Buttigieg/Whitmer ticket.
On the other hand... I don't know. Maybe is better to stick with Biden. It is too late to give in to Trump dirty tactics, to his criminal DNA, to the way he soiled everything. Biden should plow trough and beat him fair. If Biden quit the race it might be a sign of democrats disarray and that will be exploited by Republicans.
I don't know.
I hear you. I don't know what the answer is. The only thing I know is that the damage is done. The debate gave conservatives all the ammo they need. Exactly, what you say. They will use snippets of this from here to November. Biden should have transitioned about a year ago already and should have messaged that he would be a one-term President early on. Harris is quite unliked. Newsom seems to be the only person that could take this on and that has positioned himself to do so. He's not a fan fav either but he would go over better than Harris. If about half the country lost their mind with a brown male(Obama) imagine the insanity of a brown female. Buttigieg would be fantastic but this country isn't ready for a gay president. I think we're stuck with Biden and hope that the country sees that a second Trump presidency would be the end of this country as we know it. And I'm quite sure many Americans are counting on exactly that. |
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Post by MrPicard on Jul 1, 2024 4:56:33 GMT
Biden doesn't seem to WANT to let go tho. And he has to step back. They can't just vote in someone else, after all.
As for me personally, I'd rather leave the country in the hands of a grandpa who forgets what he wanted to say but is aided by a lot of competent people around him and has his heart in the right place than a guy who is hell-bent on destroying the country on the basis of alternative facts that he makes up whenever he feels like it.
I can see how both are unpopular choices tho.
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Post by scenario on Jul 1, 2024 14:22:34 GMT
The problem for the Democrats is that there is no better candidate. Its too late to change. The Republicans would make up lies about any candidate and the lemmings that Republican voters are would believe them. If Ronald Reagan came back to life and ran as a Democrat, his policies would be considered far left by todays Republicans.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 1, 2024 18:04:58 GMT
Biden doesn't seem to WANT to let go tho. And he has to step back. I also imagine there's a groupthink going on as is normal for any famous people with people telling him he's fine, he did great, etc.... |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 1, 2024 18:06:45 GMT
The problem for the Democrats is that there is no better candidate. Its too late to change. The Republicans would make up lies about any candidate and the lemmings that Republican voters are would believe them. If Ronald Reagan came back to life and ran as a Democrat, his policies would be considered far left by todays Republicans. I think there are better candidates but it is too late to change. Gov Newsom seems to be the only Dem out there who has been publicly challenging Trump for a couple of years already. At this late stage he's the only one I can think of. But yeah....it's too late. This should have started at least a year ago. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 2, 2024 15:10:00 GMT
On Twitter Stephen King came out as advocating for a Biden replacement (kind of cryptically, though). Yet he is a writer of fiction (albeit a good one, I must admit) and not necessarily an acute political observer:
"Ruth Bader Ginsburg refused to resign, and we got Amy Coney Barret as a result. Draw your own conclusion."
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 2, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
Thoughtful, sober people are calling for Biden replacement.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 2, 2024 16:31:48 GMT
What I find remarkable about Hartman and Press write-up (posted above), is that both points out how good Biden presidency had been, the outstanding crisis he faced and how he make the country better AND how that trend would likely continue if he is reelected. Yet he should step down if we want a chance at beating Trump.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jul 2, 2024 17:58:11 GMT
Liberty died Yesterday.....
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 2, 2024 18:43:57 GMT
On Twitter Stephen King came out as advocating for a Biden replacement (kind of cryptically, though). Yet he is a writer of fiction (albeit a good one, I must admit) and not necessarily an acute political observer:
"Ruth Bader Ginsburg refused to resign, and we got Amy Coney Barret as a result. Draw your own conclusion."
This is exactly what I keep thinking. |
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Post by scenario on Jul 2, 2024 19:38:03 GMT
Supreme Court Justices are appointed. Ginnsburg refusing to resign when a Democrat was in office and dying when a Republican was in office meant that the person who replaced her would have views diametrically opposed to what she's stood for her entire life.
Replacing Biden 4 months before the election won't guarentee of a Democratic President. Maybe they should change Vice Presidents. Unfortunately in the U.S. there are many people who are not far right conservatives who are terrified of a black woman being in power. Maybe if we could find a middle aged, charismatic and intelligent white man for vice president, it would calm the fears of the moderate side of the Democratic Party.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 2, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
Supreme Court Justices are appointed. Ginnsburg refusing to resign when a Democrat was in office and dying when a Republican was in office meant that the person who replaced her would have views diametrically opposed to what she's stood for her entire life. Replacing Biden 4 months before the election won't guarentee of a Democratic President. Maybe they should change Vice Presidents. Unfortunately in the U.S. there are many people who are not far right conservatives who are terrified of a black woman being in power. Maybe if we could find a middle aged, charismatic and intelligent white man for vice president, it would calm the fears of the moderate side of the Democratic Party. Replacing Biden with anyone but Harris shatters the party. And Harris goes into it with the "electoral negatives" of black woman. And I'm not sure even now things are dire enough for undecideds to leap both those hurdles. It took an economic collapse a month before the election to give Obama enough momentum. Republicans are a hairsbreadth from absolute, literally unfettered power because they have stuck together like a monolith for 40 years. Liberals have fractured over and over again because fear. Because feelings. Because they didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted EXACTLY as they wanted it. And, even when they win, they worry about the other side being mad at them so they concede and plain give away power for nothing in return. The time for picking is over. The guy is picked. And I don't care if Jill has to push him around in Pike's wheelchair, I'm voting for him. You don't hear the other side grousing about the felon and rapist enough to dump him. That's why they win. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 3, 2024 0:16:09 GMT
Liberals have fractured over and over again because fear. Because feelings. Because they didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted EXACTLY as they wanted it. And, even when they win, they worry about the other side being mad at them so they concede and plain give away power for nothing in return. The time for picking is over. The guy is picked. And I don't care if Jill has to push him around in Pike's wheelchair, I'm voting for him. You don't hear the other side grousing about the felon and rapist enough to dump him. That's why they win. I agree with what you say about liberals and yet there's more to it. By very definition the left is heterogenous in composition. By race, sexual orientation, choice of food consumption, you name it. It's there. That means each group is pulling for their own self-interest that may not have anything to do with the larger majority. In contrast, the right by very definition is homogeneous. White, old, male. With 3 words I've described quite a large chunk of that socio-political spectrum. I can't do that for the left. That ensures a more unified outlook in life and it's easy to tap into the frustration that this group experiences. They are ripe for exploitation. The failure of the Dems is to provide a wholistic vision that encompasses all the different minorities. And yes....I'll be voting for Biden. There's no other choice. But I would have preferred another candidate. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 3, 2024 0:40:00 GMT
Liberals have fractured over and over again because fear. Because feelings. Because they didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted EXACTLY as they wanted it. And, even when they win, they worry about the other side being mad at them so they concede and plain give away power for nothing in return. The time for picking is over. The guy is picked. And I don't care if Jill has to push him around in Pike's wheelchair, I'm voting for him. You don't hear the other side grousing about the felon and rapist enough to dump him. That's why they win. I agree with what you say about liberals and yet there's more to it. By very definition the left is heterogenous in composition. By race, sexual orientation, choice of food consumption, you name it. It's there. That means each group is pulling for their own self-interest that may not have anything to do with the larger majority. In contrast, the right by very definition is homogeneous. White, old, male. With 3 words I've described quite a large chunk of that socio-political spectrum. I can't do that for the left. That ensures a more unified outlook in life and it's easy to tap into the frustration that this group experiences. They are ripe for exploitation. The failure of the Dems is to provide a wholistic vision that encompasses all the different minorities. And yes....I'll be voting for Biden. There's no other choice. But I would have preferred another candidate. I think you can be heterogenous and still vote as a unified block. Fight before the election to get the guy you want. Fight after the election to get the elected guy to do at least some of the things you want, even if he wasn't the guy you picked. Take incremental success and celebrate it and build on it. But, when the guy is picked, you temper your disappointment with the truth that, you might not get as far as you want with the guy you didn't pick, but the other guy will give you nothing at best and, at worst, will take what you have. So you vote as a block and get what you can and push for more. Obama passed the ACA...the biggest social health expansion since Medicare. Wasn't good enough. Triggered a string of Congressional losses because single-payer wasn't there and lefties decided to, as some literally said, "Teach Dems a lesson." And lefties have been paying for that ever since. And that's only one example of what the left has been doing for 40 years. Lefties are just about out of chances to learn not to let the perfect be the enemy of getting anything at all. |
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Post by MrPicard on Jul 3, 2024 4:56:16 GMT
There are SO many progressives on social media who yell at everyone to not vote for Biden. Have been doing so from the start. Should he have taken care of who succeeds him and have made himself a one term president? Yes. Does the electoral system suck as it is because it only leaves you with two alternatives? Yes. Is that a reason to tell people to either vote for some weird alternative without a chance or not vote at all? No. The left is shooting itself in the foot all over again. It's gonna be another Hillary Clinton situation where I had more than one friend from the US who went like "eh I don't like Hillary I'm gonna vote green despite knowing that this will probably help Trump to become president because every vote that doesn't go to the Dem candidate is basically a vote for the dangerous fascist but ugh I hate Hillary's voice". They just never learn.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 3, 2024 21:51:22 GMT
Biden has two rallies this weekend and a sit-down with ABC. If he performs well all around, I think most of this dies down.
If not, he will have to exit, and I think, resign.
I think Harris loses either way, but I think 4 months of incumbency improves her odds. It might cause a few people to say, "Would you look at that? We've had a black woman as President for weeks and everything hasn't flown apart. Maybe she'll be okay."
And, yes, MrPicard is correct all around. Liberals will fracture and "I want WHOEVER can beat Trump."
"No, no, no, not THAT one, I haz disappointed. Party has betrayed me, I'm not voting."
I wish Democrats in 2024 had a tenth of FDR's spine, but Reagan stomping them in the 80s made almost all of them squishy, scared babies and they will doom us.
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT