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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 4, 2024 18:05:52 GMT
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 4, 2024 19:11:26 GMT
That was always going to happen anyway.
Honestly, I think this is why he didn't pardon them on the way out the door.
This way, he can use them again.
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Post by Yorick on Jan 4, 2024 19:58:31 GMT
Doesn’t this seriously mess up Trump’s insurrection trial chances? Not to mention the Supreme Court pending judgement re. the 14th Amendment? This seems very “aid and comfort” to me.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 4, 2024 21:28:00 GMT
Doesn’t this seriously mess up Trump’s insurrection trial chances? Not to mention the Supreme Court pending judgement re. the 14th Amendment? This seems very “aid and comfort” to me. Perhaps but I think he's prepping up his 'army' for an all out insurrection this time.
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Post by Yorick on Jan 5, 2024 0:22:57 GMT
Trump wins the election: revenge and authoritarian rule. Trump loses the election: more Jan 6 style insurrection outbreaks or civil unrest Trump guilty/incarcerated: civil unrest at best Trump not guilty or pardons himself (or pardoned by Haley or DeSantis), it’s established that the president is de facto above the law.
Kobyashi Maru.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 5, 2024 2:50:36 GMT
Trump wins the election: revenge and authoritarian rule. Trump loses the election: more Jan 6 style insurrection outbreaks or civil unrest Trump guilty/incarcerated: civil unrest at best Trump not guilty or pardons himself (or pardoned by Haley or DeSantis), it’s established that the president is de facto above the law. Kobyashi Maru. Meanwhile Dems have their collective heads in the sand about all of this instead of calling it out, relentlessly. "We're going to govern and pass laws". That's nice in normal times, not when the country is facing an internal identity crisis. Biden thought he could just BBB himself away from this. Ughhhh....
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 16, 2024 2:01:08 GMT
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 16, 2024 6:17:09 GMT
No doubt whatsoever. Up to a certain point I appreciate that someone like Nikky Hailey is trying to present a somewhat sensible return to what the GOP was.....but those days are far gone. The GOP, in response to Obama, created a monster. They nurtured the anti-science, anti-academic movements, conspiracy groups, etc...and begat Trump. And all that the rest of these candidates are accomplishing is wasting inordinate amounts of money.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 16, 2024 16:31:17 GMT
I don't know that they created him so much as he's the natural end of Reaganism and they've sort of waited for him their whole lives. He's liberated them to be openly as hateful of any other and as disdainful of government and democracy as they've always wanted to be.
NH is next week and Nikki is still polling in the margins there, so that might be interesting. And DeSantis is probably going to limp on in this thing until he loses Florida.
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Post by scenario on Jan 20, 2024 22:25:35 GMT
I was thinking about bullies. From my reading, bullies victims usually do well after high school. They find a job or go to college and reinvent themselves. Bullies frequently have difficulty holding jobs and they have a higher divorce rate then average.
My hypotheses is that in the past bullies eventually found employment with companies which encouraged it but tried to focus it outward. So they bullied the regular targets and found their place in society. But over the last 60 years, their targets have stood up for themselves, black people, women, gay people, foreign born people, people of different religions and Trans people aren't putting up with it any more. But society has gotten less and less tolerant of bullies. They are outraged that people get upset when they beat up their target when they used to be applauded. They worship Trump as King of the Bullies.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 20, 2024 22:50:14 GMT
I was thinking about bullies. From my reading, bullies victims usually do well after high school. They find a job or go to college and reinvent themselves. Bullies frequently have difficulty holding jobs and they have a higher divorce rate then average. My hypotheses is that in the past bullies eventually found employment with companies which encouraged it but tried to focus it outward. So they bullied the regular targets and found their place in society. But over the last 60 years, their targets have stood up for themselves, black people, women, gay people, foreign born people, people of different religions and Trans people aren't putting up with it any more. But society has gotten less and less tolerant of bullies. They are outraged that people get upset when they beat up their target when they used to be applauded. They worship Trump as King of the Bullies. There's a point here. Not only do they like the bully, he's every bully's ultimate fantasy...a bully that bullies and absolutely gets away with it every time, no matter how gleefully cruel he is.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 22, 2024 19:33:17 GMT
And....that's it for DiSantis. I'm kinda surprised really. This guy had all the momentum over the last couple of years and he fizzled tremendously.
I suppose he banked on being the less criminal politician compared to Trump but when King Crazy is still running, and will be the GOP presidential candidate, then who wants to vote for Crazy Junior?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 22, 2024 21:14:26 GMT
And....that's it for DiSantis. I'm kinda surprised really. This guy had all the momentum over the last couple of years and he fizzled tremendously. I suppose he banked on being the less criminal politician compared to Trump but when King Crazy is still running, and will be the GOP presidential candidate, then who wants to vote for Crazy Junior? His problem was and is that he doesn't seem to understand how humans behave. He's incapable of sounding normal or social. Trump can at least fake both--or at least his ramblings can sound human and social, even if all he's trading on is hatred. Desantis was polling great---when his running was an abstract notion. Once it was reality, it's a different matter. Nikki's gotta close to within single digits tomorrow of she's gonna pack it in before SC because there's no way that she'd invite that humiliation. A good take here: talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-fall-of-the-house-of-dead-bounce-ron/sharetoken/vmCanRmbZC6L
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 25, 2024 22:51:15 GMT
Trump encourages all states to send their troops to Texas to help Greg Abbott www.rawstory.com/trump-send-troops-abbott/Not an insurrectionist! Not an insurrectionist! You're the Insurrectionist!!!!! If red states did that, it would require a military response. Period.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 31, 2024 19:21:41 GMT
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 31, 2024 20:42:07 GMT
I'm fully resigned that this guy will be the President again. Of course I'll go vote but he has soooo much energy behind him. It all depends on who shows up. His numbers are weak. He won 50% in Iowa. Half of voters want someone else. Haley closed a gap. Even if she ends up folding (she'll be forced to most likely) she'll spend every day from now to then dragging him. Primary turnout is lackluster, too. And media seems FINALLY willing to discuss, "Is he senile or what?" which is more than they were ever willing to do from 2016 on. Can he win? Zero question that he can and he has a better chance than he should have even in this nominally functioning democracy. But I don't think it's all over save the ascension to the throne.
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Post by MrPicard on Feb 1, 2024 9:51:56 GMT
In the end it will all depend on just HOW many people are like "ugh I'm not gonna bother voting for either one of them this time". Those are the ones that are going to decide the outcome. His cultists will vote for him no matter what he does. It hinges on the people who need to be convinced to bother voting for Biden instead of not voting at all or voting for some candidate who doesn't stand a chance anyway.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 1, 2024 17:03:38 GMT
In the end it will all depend on just HOW many people are like "ugh I'm not gonna bother voting for either one of them this time". Those are the ones that are going to decide the outcome. His cultists will vote for him no matter what he does. It hinges on the people who need to be convinced to bother voting for Biden instead of not voting at all or voting for some candidate who doesn't stand a chance anyway. My mind can't even fully grasp the concept of people "who have to be convinced" to vote, especially with the choices being what theyare.
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 1, 2024 18:30:58 GMT
I do think he has enough election deniers in key places to make him the next president, to throw enough monkeywrenches so to speak to gum up the works. The GOP has been working on this for 4 years.
I'm not saying that he wins legitimately because people overwhelmingly support him. Hell no.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 1, 2024 19:47:00 GMT
It is very disheartening that a guy like Trump might become president again. As if history teaches us nothing. Fear and propaganda are guiding Trump path back to power, and the opposition appears to have found nothing to hindrance his advance. If somehow the democratic institutions of this country survive, some kind of National Assembly must be formed to address how to make higher offices impervious to criminals, demagogues and liars.
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Post by Yorick on Feb 2, 2024 22:37:33 GMT
Alas, wealthy criminals, demagogues and liars provide donor money to TPTB, and thus the laws that permit their oligarchy are hard to shift. Humans are too easily seduced, fooled, bribed or marginalised. Even good laws can be circumvented if one has sufficient wealth or power. Look at the dozens of ways Trump would already be incarcerated save for his status. I keep thinking about the system in The Day the Earth Stood Still. The sentient species create the laws but put their enforcement into the hands of robots like Gort.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 5, 2024 22:15:25 GMT
I think its sad that Taylor Swift is encouraging people to vote...not who to vote for mind you, just to go vote, practice your right to vote...and GOP/GQP/Insurrectionists are attacking her for it. But the more they attack her, the more likely I hope the Swifities and Gen-Z will save us from Trump.
btw, since Christians are thinking Jesus's ideals are too woke, and that Trump is holier than God, from now on when I cuss I will exclaim JESUS H. TRUMP!!!! TRUMPDUMB IT TO MAR-A-LAGO!!!! and there's not a Trumpdumbed thing anyone can do about it.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 6, 2024 0:07:56 GMT
Republicans hate Taylor Swift because Democrats could say, she is one of us. While Republicans if ask, who could they claim? Ted Nudgent and Kid Rock?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2024 0:12:23 GMT
Republicans hate Taylor Swift because Democrats could say, she is one of us. While Republicans if ask, who could they claim? Ted Nudgent and Kid Rock? But they have the greatest of actors though, like Voight and Cavizel.
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Post by scenario on Feb 6, 2024 3:08:17 GMT
Republicans hate Swift because she's a successful woman. Smaller turnout would favor the Republicans.
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Post by Yorick on Feb 6, 2024 18:17:02 GMT
Slightly encouraged that the DC appeals court says Trump is not King Immunity I. Let’s hope the Supreme Court (if they take it up as they will inevitably be asked) follows suit.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2024 18:46:43 GMT
Slightly encouraged that the DC appeals court says Trump is not King Immunity I. Let’s hope the Supreme Court (if they take it up as they will inevitably be asked) follows suit. No way SCOTUS gives him perpetual immunity. None. Zero. No, not even this court. If they did, Biden could do as he pleased. Any President could. They would eliminate their own power.
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Post by Yorick on Feb 6, 2024 19:51:02 GMT
Warp speed now…
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Post by scenario on Feb 6, 2024 20:27:02 GMT
Unfortunately about 1/4th to 1/3rd of Americans want a dictator that thinks like they do.
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 6, 2024 21:11:06 GMT
Unfortunately about 1/4th to 1/3rd of Americans want a dictator that thinks like they do. That's the part that I don't think Dems/Libs understand: that a significant portion of Americans do not care any more about democracy. They only care that their side wins. At all costs. Trump recently mentioned that he would be a dictator(for at least a day) and the right cheered.
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