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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 15, 2023 21:20:43 GMT
Most Constitutional scholars seem to agree that A3 of the 14th Amendment is self-executing, that is, no affirmation by Congress is required after his conviction. It would basically fall to individual states to kick him off the ballot. And it wouldn't take that many states doing so to take 270 off the table. That's where the Supreme Court comes in. The constitution says what thee SC says it does. This is so, however, they have shown little to no interest in helping him out of his predicaments. Also, no one has to do anything SCOTUS says anymore: www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/alabama-gop-refuses-draw-second-black-district-supreme-court-order-rcna94715 |
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 26, 2023 17:34:13 GMT
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 26, 2023 19:09:15 GMT
I love that fake-ass tough guy look.
No one's scared of you, man. Even when you were POTUS no one was scared of YOU because YOU don't know how anything works.
I hope he ends up the nominee because he is so utterly toxic, even Kamala Harris would have a shot if it came to that.
DeSantis? A few of the others? Not so much.
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Post by scenario on Aug 26, 2023 20:35:14 GMT
There is a vastly different set of morality between the people on the far right like Trump and DeSantis and the rest of us. The only parts of the government they approve of is the military and the police. The militaries main purpose is to keep the border closed and the purpose of the police is to control people's sex lives.
I've been watching a show on P+ about plane crash investigations. In at least half of the cases if the people had followed the proper procedures the planes wouldn't have crashed. Republicans call proper procedure, "Red tape" and want to eliminate it. They really don't care about people dying. They are much more concerned about keeping profits up. Its a balancing act. Are you willing to have much less taxes but lower the average life expectancy by 15 or 20 years? Republicans are fine with that.
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 26, 2023 20:46:47 GMT
I hope he ends up the nominee because he is so utterly toxic, even Kamala Harris would have a shot if it came to that. DeSantis? A few of the others? Not so much. I'm concerned because of the amount of red states that are, in their own way, seceding from a united country. Several red states for example have abandoned ERIC. In some red states, election deniers are now election officials. That means they can do practically whatever they want and in a red state no other official will investigate. These are the same red states that have allowed threats to election officials. It just takes one state to throw a monkey wrench into the elections next year. There are now several that can do that. It's fascinating to see a red state like Georgia take on Trump but I don't think that's something we'll ever see again. As for the other candidates the best I can think of is that some of them are vying for VP. The Indian guy practically licks Trump's ass any opportunity given. Chris Christie, bless his heart, is trying his hardest but he's simply not aware that his version of the Republican Party no longer exists, proof given by the boos he was subjected to. The same applies for Mike Pence with a heaping side of delusion. Republicans were shouting 'traitor' at him and wanting to lynch him. They're not going to vote for him. |
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Post by scenario on Aug 26, 2023 20:54:33 GMT
The far right doesn't want democracy, they want control. They're fighting to turn the country into a third world country and will be surprised that their not better off when it happens. They'll just pick another scape goat to blame.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 26, 2023 21:03:05 GMT
I hope he ends up the nominee because he is so utterly toxic, even Kamala Harris would have a shot if it came to that. DeSantis? A few of the others? Not so much. I'm concerned because of the amount of red states that are, in their own way, seceding from a united country. Several red states for example have abandoned ERIC. In some red states, election deniers are now election officials. That means they can do practically whatever they want and in a red state no other official will investigate. These are the same red states that have allowed threats to election officials. It just takes one state to throw a monkey wrench into the elections next year. There are now several that can do that. It's fascinating to see a red state like Georgia take on Trump but I don't think that's something we'll ever see again. As for the other candidates the best I can think of is that some of them are vying for VP. The Indian guy practically licks Trump's ass any opportunity given. Chris Christie, bless his heart, is trying his hardest but he's simply not aware that his version of the Republican Party no longer exists, proof given by the boos he was subjected to. The same applies for Mike Pence with a heaping side of delusion. Republicans were shouting 'traitor' at him and wanting to lynch him. They're not going to vote for him. I'm not sure Christie is trying his hardest. He had one real chance and that two hours should have been "I am old-way Republicanism. Trumpism is awful in so many ways and will be the doom of the party. Trump is the end of the party. Hammer. Hammer. Hammer. But he didn't. Hell, Nikki Haley found more traction barely trying than he did. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 26, 2023 21:04:16 GMT
The far right doesn't want democracy, they want control. They're fighting to turn the country into a third world country and will be surprised that their not better off when it happens. They'll just pick another scape goat to blame. And scape goats lead to train cars. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Aug 27, 2023 4:43:54 GMT
The far right doesn't want democracy, they want control. They're fighting to turn the country into a third world country and will be surprised that their not better off when it happens. They'll just pick another scape goat to blame. And scape goats lead to train cars. Very true... and a chilling thought. |
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Post by scenario on Sept 5, 2023 21:21:31 GMT
Well, I voted today. I've been looking for information about the candidates for months. Half of the candidates say "Vote for me because I'm a parent." I finally just tried to read between
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 6, 2023 0:57:50 GMT
Well, I voted today. I've been looking for information about the candidates for months. Half of the candidates say "Vote for me because I'm a parent." I finally just tried to read between How long till candidates ads goes like "I promise you that I am human." |
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Post by MrPicard on Sept 7, 2023 4:59:29 GMT
Someone saying they're a parent would be a reason for me to NOT vote for them because they have nothing in common with me and their goals are probably even bad for me since their politics will be focused on families, not singles. lol
And just because someone is a parent doesn't mean they're automatically a good person - which is what they're aiming for with their claim I guess - but that goes without saying.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 7, 2023 17:43:09 GMT
Someone saying they're a parent would be a reason for me to NOT vote for them because they have nothing in common with me and their goals are probably even bad for me since their politics will be focused on families, not singles. lol And just because someone is a parent doesn't mean they're automatically a good person - which is what they're aiming for with their claim I guess - but that goes without saying. Yeah, it means nothing, mainly for reason two. I mean, I don't have children either, but I understand how issues of children affect me (bodily autonomy when it comes to actually having them or not, importance of early and quality education for those kids, free college or trades for those kids that might want to go) But, "I'm a parent." So what? Doesn't mean you're anything close to a good one. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 7, 2023 18:03:14 GMT
Someone saying they're a parent would be a reason for me to NOT vote for them because they have nothing in common with me and their goals are probably even bad for me since their politics will be focused on families, not singles. lol And just because someone is a parent doesn't mean they're automatically a good person - which is what they're aiming for with their claim I guess - but that goes without saying. For whatever it's worth, I am a parent and I find that any politician saying something like that laughable. Hey, I'm right-handed too!!! Vote for me.  We see that with Christian denomination affiliation, military, and other such factors. I'm assuming that saying such a phrase is code for 'family values', anti-LGBTQ+, Bathroom Wars, etc.... but it's just easier to say "I'm a parent". All it took Trump was to wave his "mom's" Bible around and say "Two Corinthians". I get the aspect of relatability. They've gotta cast a wide net and in a succinct manner. The fact that it works is what saddens me. We're so gullible. |
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Post by scenario on Sept 7, 2023 19:16:19 GMT
Someone saying they're a parent would be a reason for me to NOT vote for them because they have nothing in common with me and their goals are probably even bad for me since their politics will be focused on families, not singles. lol And just because someone is a parent doesn't mean they're automatically a good person - which is what they're aiming for with their claim I guess - but that goes without saying. For whatever it's worth, I am a parent and I find that any politician saying something like that laughable. Hey, I'm right-handed too!!! Vote for me. We see that with Christian denomination affiliation, military, and other such factors. I'm assuming that saying such a phrase is code for 'family values', anti-LGBTQ+, Bathroom Wars, etc.... but it's just easier to say "I'm a parent". All it took Trump was to wave his "mom's" Bible around and say "Two Corinthians". I get the aspect of relatability. They've gotta cast a wide net and in a succinct manner. The fact that it works is what saddens me. We're so gullible. I wonder what's next. Vote for me, I'm right handed and have two arms and legs. The election was a special election to replace a senator who resigned. It was the Democratic primary and there were about 15 people on the ballot. Every candidate with kids had video of them walking with their children. I'm sorry. I'd like some sort of idea what you plan to do. I know what Republicans want to do. Increase spending for police and the military. Pass laws to control peoples sex lives and remove all restrictions on corporations. |
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Post by scenario on Oct 15, 2023 2:04:11 GMT
I wonder what the Republican's position on Israel will be. On the one side, the clearly are against democracies and as a group, they openly hate Jewish People. On the other hand, the Religious half of the party supports Israel because its needed for the return of Jesus and the rapture.
They're kind of stuck.
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Post by scenario on Oct 15, 2023 2:13:20 GMT
I'm not sure what to think about the speaker of the house situation. The extreme right wants one of their own in place. The only part of government they support are the military and the police. They want massive cuts to everything else. And when that drives the economy into a recession, they'll demand more cuts. Republicans seems to range from opportunists to religious zealots to people who are flat out crazy. The Republicans are self destructing but few of their minions seem to understand that.
The Republican mindset is "I'm mad and I want to destroy a bunch of stuff and I don't care who gets hurt."
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 15, 2023 3:37:39 GMT
I wonder what the Republican's position on Israel will be. On the one side, the clearly are against democracies and as a group, they openly hate Jewish People. On the other hand, the Religious half of the party supports Israel because its needed for the return of Jesus and the rapture. They're kind of stuck. Not really. Because the evangelical arm of the base is all about Israel. So, blank check for Israel and Ukraine can me abandoned. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 15, 2023 3:40:47 GMT
I'm not sure what to think about the speaker of the house situation. The extreme right wants one of their own in place. The only part of government they support are the military and the police. They want massive cuts to everything else. And when that drives the economy into a recession, they'll demand more cuts. Republicans seems to range from opportunists to religious zealots to people who are flat out crazy. The Republicans are self destructing but few of their minions seem to understand that. The Republican mindset is "I'm mad and I want to destroy a bunch of stuff and I don't care who gets hurt." I don't think the extreme right wants one though. The hardest of the right? They wanna see it burn down just to watch it die. That it'll drag Biden down for Trump is just a bonus. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 15, 2023 18:28:49 GMT
The Republican mindset is "I'm mad and I want to destroy a bunch of stuff and I don't care who gets hurt." I think this is something we can't underestimate. There are plenty of Americans out there that want exactly this. Things are not working for them therefore it should not work for anyone else. They don't realize time and time again they vote against their own interest. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 17, 2023 17:31:06 GMT
I've gotta think that there's something fundamentally wrong with US law when someone like Jim Jordan, who actively worked to disrupt an election, can be
1) still working within the confines of government
2) being considered for one of the most powerful positions in government, one that will put him in place to throw an even more effective monkeywrench into the elections next year.
FFS!!!!
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 17, 2023 18:24:37 GMT
I've gotta think that there's something fundamentally wrong with US law when someone like Jim Jordan, who actively worked to disrupt an election, can be 1) still working within the confines of government 2) being considered for one of the most powerful positions in government, one that will put him in place to throw an even more effective monkeywrench into the elections next year. FFS!!!! Because, really, the House and Senate are lawless bodies and always have been. It's all governed by "tradition" and mutually agreed upon rules. And, to be fair, that's worked for the vast majority of the time this country has existed, and it worked because, as much as one side disagreed with the other, they were both committed to the system...and the mutually agreed upon rules and traditions. Even as far back as Reagan, there were debt ceilings, but they were pro-forma exercises, extended without question by the two or three people required to pass the bill. But now, in this two-party system, one party is openly committed to authoritarianism over democracy, so the rules and traditions are no longer relevant. But that leaves no guard rails because no one considered that there needed to be laws to govern these basic functions. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 17, 2023 18:39:30 GMT
I've gotta think that there's something fundamentally wrong with US law when someone like Jim Jordan, who actively worked to disrupt an election, can be 1) still working within the confines of government 2) being considered for one of the most powerful positions in government, one that will put him in place to throw an even more effective monkeywrench into the elections next year. FFS!!!! But now, in this two-party system, one party is openly committed to authoritarianism over democracy, so the rules and traditions are no longer relevant. But that leaves no guard rails because no one considered that there needed to be laws to govern these basic functions. That's where I freak out. I'm not the most political person in the world but I just don't hear about anyone trying to set up those guard rails. I think there was something a year ago but I can't recall what it was. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 17, 2023 19:44:06 GMT
But now, in this two-party system, one party is openly committed to authoritarianism over democracy, so the rules and traditions are no longer relevant. But that leaves no guard rails because no one considered that there needed to be laws to govern these basic functions. That's where I freak out. I'm not the most political person in the world but I just don't hear about anyone trying to set up those guard rails. I think there was something a year ago but I can't recall what it was. You may be thinking of the revisions to the Electoral Cout Act that passed in '22 and are now law. (The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022) Among other things specifies the role of the VP in the count, namely that he/she can't choose to reject ballots just because and significantly ups the threshold in both chambers needed to challenge the count. |
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Post by scenario on Oct 17, 2023 19:47:42 GMT
Systems can't survive when enough insiders decide to tear it down. Hopefully, voters will realize just how far right the Republican party is now.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Oct 20, 2023 1:50:50 GMT
In what world can a guy like Jim Jordan be THIRD in the line of succession to the seat of power in any country?!?! That signals that the erosion in governance is really deep.
Republicans spend a lot of time talking about the rule of law and governing. But that's crap. The only reason they are in politics is to make the institutions that keep the country together vanish. To them government is an obstacle, they only institutions they need are the mechanism of policing. Force and propaganda, that's it. And if history teach us anything is that those lead to very bleak places. |
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Post by scenario on Oct 20, 2023 1:59:22 GMT
When I was younger, I wondered how dictators got into power. Now I see it. There are an awful lot of people who desperately want a dictator. They want to be told what to do.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 20, 2023 2:46:30 GMT
When I was younger, I wondered how dictators got into power. Now I see it. There are an awful lot of people who desperately want a dictator. They want to be told what to do. There's the third that want it, the third that don't, then the third that don't care until the dictator affects them or history passes judgement, then they jump to the most convenient side. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 20, 2023 6:25:33 GMT
When I was younger, I wondered how dictators got into power. Now I see it. There are an awful lot of people who desperately want a dictator. They want to be told what to do. They want to be told what to do and Republicans want to tell others what to do. That's why our conservative religious right has aligned with them. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 20, 2023 22:30:17 GMT
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