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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 10, 2024 14:41:42 GMT
My easy prediction for tonight "debate": 1. The Press will suck and will allow from the Orange Turd the most outrageous pronouncements. 2. The aforementioned guy will call Harris "nasty woman" at least twice. He will. He has no use for women that can string a sentence together. Unless Trump stomps off the stage, calling her an n-word from the stage to his limo, a US press that needs a horse race is going to say that "He did what he needed to do," or, "Neither delivered a knockout blow." |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 10, 2024 17:46:33 GMT
My easy prediction for tonight "debate": 1. The Press will suck and will allow from the Orange Turd the most outrageous pronouncements. 2. The aforementioned guy will call Harris "nasty woman" at least twice. What dawned on me some days ago is that we won't have a debate simply because Trump doesn't debate. He heckles. And that's where any Democratic opponent is going to show up flatfooted expecting a rational conversation when Trump isn't interested. Hopefully Harris is already aware of this and has practiced how to navigate around this but it's a tall order because, as you mention, the press needs to establish and stick to established rules of conduct. Again, this is something that Trump can't agree to do. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 10, 2024 17:53:00 GMT
My easy prediction for tonight "debate": 1. The Press will suck and will allow from the Orange Turd the most outrageous pronouncements. 2. The aforementioned guy will call Harris "nasty woman" at least twice. What dawned on some days ago is that we won't have a debate simply because Trump doesn't debate. He heckles. And that's where any Democratic opponent is going to show up flatfooted expecting a rational conversation when Trump isn't interested. Hopefully Harris is already aware of this and has practiced how to navigate around this but it's a tall order because, as you mention, the press needs to establish and stick to established rules of conduct. Again, this is something that Trump can't agree to do. I think Harris CAN adjust to that? Will she? Who knows? Will the press acknowledge it if she does? Probably not. Harris is required to be divine. If Trump doesn't fling shit everywhere, "He's done enough to stay in this." |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 10, 2024 19:17:19 GMT
Harris is required to be divine. If Trump doesn't fling shit everywhere, "He's done enough to stay in this." Yep. Maybe about 2 years ago my local public radio discussed this to some extent concluding that the bars are set quite differently for both parties. When Biden was walking towards the White House(?) on his first official day, the press kept on yelling at him "How are you gonna unite the country"? You think they would ask the same think had Trump won a second term? |
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Post by scenario on Sept 10, 2024 20:03:05 GMT
My easy prediction for tonight "debate": 1. The Press will suck and will allow from the Orange Turd the most outrageous pronouncements. 2. The aforementioned guy will call Harris "nasty woman" at least twice. What dawned on me some days ago is that we won't have a debate simply because Trump doesn't debate. He heckles. And that's where any Democratic opponent is going to show up flatfooted expecting a rational conversation when Trump isn't interested. Hopefully Harris is already aware of this and has practiced how to navigate around this but it's a tall order because, as you mention, the press needs to establish and stick to established rules of conduct. Again, this is something that Trump can't agree to do. The format of this debate is that the candidate not answering's microphone is turned off. |
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Post by scenario on Sept 11, 2024 0:03:47 GMT
My mom happened to stop on faux news 1 hour before the debate. They called their coverage before the debate "pregame." Faux news considers the choice of president to be a game.
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 11, 2024 0:15:35 GMT
My mom happened to stop on faux news 1 hour before the debate. They called their coverage before the debate "pregame." Faux news considers the choice of president to be a game. Not just them though. The ABC ads for the debate sounded like that too. It's just gross how we make everything a competitive sports event. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 11, 2024 4:20:06 GMT
She rose.
He fell---then lit himself on fire.
Everything that needed to happen did.
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 11, 2024 5:51:47 GMT
She rose. He fell---then lit himself on fire. Everything that needed to happen did. Yep.....and yet the polls next week will show a dead tie.  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 11, 2024 16:34:50 GMT
She rose. He fell---then lit himself on fire. Everything that needed to happen did. Yep.....and yet the polls next week will show a dead tie. Probably. But it's purely a voter incompetency problem at that point. Nothing to do about that but raise the top marginal tax rate to a hard 80%, dump hundreds of billions into education, and wait 20 years. We don't have that kind of time, but that's all there is. |
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Post by scenario on Sept 11, 2024 17:16:28 GMT
Yep.....and yet the polls next week will show a dead tie. Probably. But it's purely a voter incompetency problem at that point. Nothing to do about that but raise the top marginal tax rate to a hard 80%, dump hundreds of billions into education, and wait 20 years. We don't have that kind of time, but that's all there is. The Texas Republican party platform in 2012 specifically said that they want to ban the teaching of critical thinking skills. Schools in red states aren't designed to teach people to think. One of the things high on the Republican agenda is to eliminate the department of education and all federal rules on education and return education to the local level. If the local government doesn't want to teach science or history, they would have the right not to do so. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 11, 2024 17:30:11 GMT
I am glad that my predictions were proved wrong! To my surprise the reporters pushed back (on some occasions) and fact-checked Trump live. And I think he didn't called her "nasty woman" (I didn't watched all of it, but must of it), probably because his advisors talked him into acknowledging that his constant misogyny was not electorally appealing.
I think Harris performance was solid. She remained composed and sharp and attack Trump when it was necessary. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 11, 2024 17:40:26 GMT
Harris is required to be divine. If Trump doesn't fling shit everywhere, "He's done enough to stay in this." Yep. Maybe about 2 years ago my local public radio discussed this to some extent concluding that the bars are set quite differently for both parties. When Biden was walking towards the White House(?) on his first official day, the press kept on yelling at him "How are you gonna unite the country"? You think they would ask the same think had Trump won a second term? Yes. Is as if traditional news outlet have quit their ethical responsibility with regard to the truth and are just on the game of data manipulation to extract profit from users. I follow some analysts on substack an other venues and many are baffled as to how low the New York Times have fallen, and from time to time seems to be campaigning for Trump. It is a dangerous trend. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 11, 2024 19:51:40 GMT
I didn't watch the debate last night.
Too busy cooking dog.
FFS.....
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 11, 2024 20:20:18 GMT
I didn't watch the debate last night. Too busy cooking dog. FFS..... 🤣 I hear you. I, being from the tropics, cook my dog spicy with a side of mofongo. It enhances the flavor, dogs are too lean and bland. Jokes aside, I wonder if this dog tangent was Trump swamp brain attempt to capture RFK voters. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 12, 2024 17:31:11 GMT
I didn't watch the debate last night. Too busy cooking dog. FFS..... 🤣 I hear you. I, being from the tropics, cook my dog spicy with a side of mofongo. It enhances the flavor, dogs are too lean and bland. Jokes aside, I wonder if this dog tangent was Trump swamp brain attempt to capture RFK voters. De seguro me he comido algun pincho de perro en vez de cerdo.  |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 12, 2024 20:40:38 GMT
🤣 I hear you. I, being from the tropics, cook my dog spicy with a side of mofongo. It enhances the flavor, dogs are too lean and bland. Jokes aside, I wonder if this dog tangent was Trump swamp brain attempt to capture RFK voters. De seguro me he comido algun pincho de perro en vez de cerdo. Quién sabe la "carne" que esos boricuas bestiales usan en los chinchorros de la Carretera Vieja!! 😅... It is best to remain ignorant. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Sept 16, 2024 16:38:04 GMT
De seguro me he comido algun pincho de perro en vez de cerdo. Quién sabe la "carne" que esos boricuas bestiales usan en los chinchorros de la Carretera Vieja!! 😅... It is best to remain ignorant. cAn yOU sTOP SpeAKIng CaNADiaN? I OnLy kNOw AMEricaN aND a LItTle BIT of EngLISH. THat CAt ON tHe GRill sUre SMeLls lIKE ChICKen....(reference to that image JD posted that was supposed to be a cat on the grill-which was very obviously a whole chicken...but only hillbillies would know what a whole chicken looks like....oh wait...) |
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Post by scenario on Sept 26, 2024 20:34:03 GMT
Trumps newest idea. Bring back Johnny Carson to the Tonight Show. One minor problem. Johnny died almost 20 years ago. It's depressing that half the country want him as president.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 26, 2024 20:42:10 GMT
Trumps newest idea. Bring back Johnny Carson to the Tonight Show. One minor problem. Johnny died almost 20 years ago. It's depressing that half the country want him as president. Yeah, I just can't shake the 2016 vibe as much as I'd like to. And, Hell, even if she wins, unless she wins both chambers, it pretty much doesn't matter. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 27, 2024 17:25:10 GMT
Trumps newest idea. Bring back Johnny Carson to the Tonight Show. One minor problem. Johnny died almost 20 years ago. It's depressing that half the country want him as president. Yeah, I just can't shake the 2016 vibe as much as I'd like to. And, Hell, even if she wins, unless she wins both chambers, it pretty much doesn't matter. This is where the Dems slept away big time. Even when Biden won, Congress was evenly split in half with only Harris' vote as the tie breaker. That should have sent waves of concern through that party that even with the previous 4 years with Trump people still voted to keep Republicans in power. Instead it seems like Dems felt the war is over, everything will be fine now, no need for concern. And here we are 4 years after with Trump possibly becoming President again. Just the fact that he's the practically uncontested GOP candidate again leaves a lot to be desired from our country. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 27, 2024 18:26:42 GMT
Yeah, I just can't shake the 2016 vibe as much as I'd like to. And, Hell, even if she wins, unless she wins both chambers, it pretty much doesn't matter. This is where the Dems slept away big time. Even when Biden won, Congress was evenly split in half with only Harris' vote as the tie breaker. That should have sent waves of concern through that party that even with the previous 4 years with Trump people still voted to keep Republicans in power. Instead it seems like Dems felt the war is over, everything will be fine now, no need for concern. And here we are 4 years after with Trump possibly becoming President again. Just the fact that he's the practically uncontested GOP candidate again leaves a lot to be desired from our country. The DNC should have been functionally campaigning since 2020. Outreach and everything that goes with it. I mean, my city is on the verge of completing a complete revamp of the city bus system (new routes, stations, an e-fare system, and 60 new, fully electric busses) with $140M in Infrastructure Bill money, and no one's really talking about it much less talking it up. Another problem was that Dems simply couldn't do all they wanted to because the Senate is broken, and it's broken because of a filibuster that the likes of Manchin and Sinema believed makes the Senate the Senate. They're actually correct if your metric is "Where law goes to die." Hell, I think that, until you legally get the money out of politics you need to bring back earmarks. (i.e. vote for this 2% tax hike for billionaires, I'll fund the highway overpass in your district.) It's really the only thing that could begin to combat donors writing direct checks. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Oct 5, 2024 18:46:21 GMT
How can this race be so close? Half of this country believe that it is a patriotic duty to go to the voting booth, stare right into Trump empty eyes and select his ticket, joyfully and ecstatically. I almost miss the Bush years, at least there was a semblance of engagement with policy discussion. Listen, I am liberal and progressive, I think the State should play a role in making people track to happiness and prosperity easier not harder; but I am willing to listen to conservative view points about government size and a bureaucracy that might hinder aspect of economic growth. If the other side is willing to sit down and REALLY talk, I would. But what we have now is MTG accusing democrats of having "hurricane tech" to kill republicans so that they don't go out and vote! How do we got here? Is she really crazy or just playing the role of trumpist ideologue to reap his favor? I honestly do not know.
Some celebrate this moment as a wonderful opportunity for political activism, but I found it exhausting. There is a voice in the back of my head that tells me "this is just rehearsal". As if this period we are barely enduring is just setting the stage, testing the waters, for the darker forces behind it all. And I am not someone prone to conspiracy ideas, but the truth is Bannon, Stone, Miller are not nice people. I feel that we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg, that the assault on the democratic institutions is just starting, and that the majority on the Supreme Court is set to facilitate a sort of theocratic overhauling of government. Is the current state of Democratic Party ready for it? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 5, 2024 19:53:37 GMT
The issue is that Trumpism isn't going away, even when Trump is gone. The ideas are still there. The hatred of the other is still there. Project 2025 (aka "The final drowning of government in the bathtub) is still there, all waiting for someone to implement the last steps of what Republicans have been doing since Reagan.
Harris has to win, and she has to win all of Congress, and she has to have the will to end the filibuster, and then will again to completely reshape SCOTUS. If she gets the power and can manage that, she will have fundamentally reshaped America for the better for generations and can call her presidency a win.
If she doesn't get it all, she's one-term and Vance or DeSantis will get it done in '28.
I dare say the task is too large for anyone and America will fall by the end of the decade.
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Post by Yorick on Oct 5, 2024 20:09:00 GMT
The issue is that Trumpism isn't going away, even when Trump is gone. The ideas are still there. The hatred of the other is still there. Project 2025 (aka "The final drowning of government in the bathtub) is still there, all waiting for someone to implement the last steps of what Republicans have been doing since Reagan. Harris has to win, and she has to win all of Congress, and she has to have the will to end the filibuster, and then will again to completely reshape SCOTUS. If she gets the power and can manage that, she will have fundamentally reshaped America for the better for generations and can call her presidency a win. If she doesn't get it all, she's one-term and Vance or DeSantis will get it done in '28. I dare say the task is too large for anyone and America will fall by the end of the decade. Your analysis is correct and your summation is correct. Alas. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Oct 14, 2024 18:47:12 GMT
A grim prediction on how Trump people are going to steal the election trough state Houses refusing to certify the results. A most stronger brew now of the fake electors scheme they used on 2020.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Oct 14, 2024 19:05:11 GMT
Analysts are sounding the alarm about a worried trend on Harris strategy. By courting the vote of disenchanted GOP leaders (Cheney, Romney) -seeking to chip away support for Trump-, they may have isolated the vote of minorities on key states, like Latinos and Arab Americans. why would you welcome the backing of Republicans who in the past were anti-immigration and even openly racist?Is your message about diversity truly authentic or you are using it just for show?
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Post by nombrecomun on Oct 14, 2024 21:47:57 GMT
Analysts are sounding the alarm about a worried trend on Harris strategy. By courting the vote of disenchanted GOP leaders (Cheney, Romney) -seeking to chip away support for Trump-, they may have isolated the vote of minorities on key states, like Latinos and Arab Americans. why would you welcome the backing of Republicans who in the past were anti-immigration and even openly racist?Is your message about diversity truly authentic or you are using it just for show? The easy answer is short-sightedness. Each of these groups see their own goals as exclusive to their own group without caring much about society at large. I keep hearing how Arab Americans won't vote for Dems because of their stance with Israel. They acknowledge that they will get worse treatment with a Trump/Republican party and yet they will still state the preceding. Dems have shot themselves in the foot by becoming the 'minority' party, be it by skin colour, culture, sexual orientation, etc... without messaging how all these different groups should strive for some type of unity instead of fragmented patchwork. Four years ago Biden got elected to be the President and yet Congress was evenly divided. Even having the recent Trump atrocities were not enough to deter people from voting for him. Now, four years later, people have selective memories. January 6 wasn't that bad, was it? And that's how that goes. There was a small window in which Republicans repudiated what their party did. Dems failed, again, to capitalize on that. We hear the saying again and again: Dems play checkers while Reps play chess. And it's true as far as I'm concerned. Republicans have a game plan; abhorrent as it is. Dems continually are in a state of knee-jerk reaction. I'm not even sure Dems know what checkers are at this point. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Oct 14, 2024 23:33:49 GMT
They aren't playing chess so much as they suppress voters and flood the zone with the help of national media. And people willfully stupid. www.rawstory.com/trump-threats-2669392760/The Times' reporter listed several ominous promises the GOP presidential nominee has made over and over again, including mass deportations of immigrants, a vow to be a dictator on “day one,” and weaponizing the Department of Justice against his enemies. And his supporters brushed them off as empty threats. “The former president has talked about weaponizing the Justice Department and jailing political opponents. He has said he would purge the government of non-loyalists and that he would have trouble hiring anyone who admits that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen. He proposed ‘one really violent day’ in which police officers could get “extraordinarily rough” with impunity. He has promised mass deportations and predicted it would be ‘a bloody story,’” the report stated. “And while many of his supporters thrill at such talk, there are plenty of others who figure it’s all just part of some big act. A lot of people are happy to vote for him because they simply do not believe he will do many of the things he says he will.” “I think the media blows stuff out of proportion for sensationalism,” Mario Fachini told the Times. Asked specifically if he believed threats to fill the federal government with Trump allies, Fachini said, “I don’t.” He added, “It could just be for publicity, just riling up the news.” Another voter, Mary Burney, shrugged off threats to prosecute Trump’s opponents. “I don’t think that’s on his list of things to do,” she said. “No, no.” *** I'm at the point where I think he wins, via the EC of course, though I would adore being surprised in 3 weeks. It boils down to me having faith in "my fellow Americans" that they won't do a terrible thing. * That they did before. * And doing it again after seemingly just forgetting 2016 to 2020. * And wiping their brains to the point where they say things like the above. Trump and I actually agree that this is a ----hole country, we just disagree on the reasons. I think it became that with Reagan and every progressively worse Republican that followed him. I do not trust Americans to do the right thing or do things even in their own best interests. If I won Powerball, I'd be gone from here. |
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Post by scenario on Oct 15, 2024 0:50:11 GMT
Analysts are sounding the alarm about a worried trend on Harris strategy. By courting the vote of disenchanted GOP leaders (Cheney, Romney) -seeking to chip away support for Trump-, they may have isolated the vote of minorities on key states, like Latinos and Arab Americans. why would you welcome the backing of Republicans who in the past were anti-immigration and even openly racist?Is your message about diversity truly authentic or you are using it just for show? The easy answer is short-sightedness. Each of these groups see their own goals as exclusive to their own group without caring much about society at large. I keep hearing how Arab Americans won't vote for Dems because of their stance with Israel. They acknowledge that they will get worse treatment with a Trump/Republican party and yet they will still state the preceding. Dems have shot themselves in the foot by becoming the 'minority' party, be it by skin colour, culture, sexual orientation, etc... without messaging how all these different groups should strive for some type of unity instead of fragmented patchwork. Four years ago Biden got elected to be the President and yet Congress was evenly divided. Even having the recent Trump atrocities were not enough to deter people from voting for him. Now, four years later, people have selective memories. January 6 wasn't that bad, was it? And that's how that goes. There was a small window in which Republicans repudiated what their party did. Dems failed, again, to capitalize on that. We hear the saying again and again: Dems play checkers while Reps play chess. And it's true as far as I'm concerned. Republicans have a game plan; abhorrent as it is. Dems continually are in a state of knee-jerk reaction. I'm not even sure Dems know what checkers are at this point. Republicans have the easier message to get across. Republican's want to destroy. Democrats want to build. If something goes wrong, Democrats look to experts and the experts suggest more regulations. Republican's blame every problem on regulations or the latest minority villain they've chosen this year. The problem with wanting to build is that there are a lot of ways to build and no matter which way you pick, a handful of people will agree and most people will think you're wrong.
Israel is one of those things. Yup we could just stop all weapons sales. But then we have a nuclear armed country run by extreme right wingers with nothing to lose. That doesn't appeal to me. There are no easy, quick solutions to a problem that's been around in one form or another for hundreds of years.
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I am so sorry...