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Post by scenario on Dec 21, 2023 20:03:55 GMT
You have to go through the process. What were they thinking?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Dec 21, 2023 22:30:11 GMT
You have to go through the process. What were they thinking? Ted Kennedy and Carter comes to mind. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 21, 2024 18:29:49 GMT
Joe Biden will always have my complete respect! Pulling out of the race was the right thing to do. This decision shows that he still have his wits about himself because in politics perception matters. This is not a win for the MAGA crowd of misfits, it is an OPPORTUNITY and Dems should seized it! Build on it, beating Trump should easy. An outstanding opportunity to have our first woman president. It was about time!!
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 21, 2024 18:42:38 GMT
Good. The transition should have happened at minimum a year ago but 4 months is still a long time especially if you get someone who already has been taking on Trump and MAGA for a while.
Having said that, Harris can't win against Trump either. She'll challenge him well. Nothing to do with her qualifications but if the US couldn't get a white woman into office then they're not gonna vote for a black woman either.
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Post by scenario on Jul 21, 2024 18:49:02 GMT
Only about 40% of the US likes Trump. Less than 50% of people vote. So If Trump wins he'll win with around 25% of the people voting for him. Let Harris loose. Let her go on the attack. The Republican's want to destroy everything we've built since the 1960s. If the Democrats had someone to get out the vote, they'd win.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 21, 2024 19:58:25 GMT
If I were on the Harris people crew, I would suggest Mark Kelly as a running mate. White, democrat, astronaut, his wife survived an assassination attempt. Trump people will go crazy trying to figure out how to undermine him.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 21, 2024 20:20:36 GMT
If I were on the Harris people crew, I would suggest Mark Kelly as a running mate. White, democrat, astronaut, his wife survived an assassination attempt. Trump people will go crazy trying to figure out how to undermine him. Good call. Someone who represents the sciences in a roundabout way. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 21, 2024 20:51:04 GMT
Also Kelly represents Arizona, a swing state AND he won his spot after McCain died. Dems should spin these facts to win over independents an undecided voters.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 25, 2024 21:24:09 GMT
I wonder how Gov Newsom is doing with all of this. He seemed prepped to make a run for the presidency at the drop of a hat. IF(big if) Harris wins then his chances of ever making a run seem close to zero since she would most likely run again for a second term. That would put Newsome around mid-60's, if Harris won a re-election that is. That's not necessarily that old but he might not be that relevant anymore by then.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 26, 2024 3:36:28 GMT
I wonder how Gov Newsom is doing with all of this. He seemed prepped to make a run for the presidency at the drop of a hat. IF(big if) Harris wins then his chances of ever making a run seem close to zero since she would most likely run again for a second term. That would put Newsome around mid-60's, if Harris won a re-election that is. That's not necessarily that old but he might not be that relevant anymore by then. Newsome has said repeatedly that he's not interested in '24, and has done nothing but aggressively defend the current ticket whatever it is, so I don't imagine that he's all that upset. Even if he wanted to, support coalesced around Harris so quickly and decisively (as it should have, I think) that anyone challenging her now and threatening to plunge the convention into turmoil would destroy themselves within the party. Eh..he'll probably be just as big a player in '32. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Aug 6, 2024 19:26:46 GMT
I was for Mark Kelly but Harris choosing Tim Waltz seems reasonable for our current political climate.
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 6, 2024 20:26:07 GMT
I was for Mark Kelly but Harris choosing Tim Waltz seems reasonable for our current political climate.
The neat thing is that Harris had great candidates to choose from. I suppose any one of them could make their own presidential run one day. Buttiegieg already did. Waltz is a safe choice. Doesn't have the name recognition the others have, very "Middle America" which is something Dems need especially with a Californian presidential nominee. Hopefully he's able to attract the average white person being a religious person, gun toting, etc... who is fed up with the insanity on the right. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 7, 2024 0:10:25 GMT
Dang! Tim Walz brought the house down!
This just shows the lack of energy Biden had. It was sorely missed. That's not to knock Joe but Dems needed this shot in the arm.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Aug 7, 2024 22:42:30 GMT
Dang! Tim Walz brought the house down! This just shows the lack of energy Biden had. It was sorely missed. That's not to knock Joe but Dems needed this shot in the arm. The swing at the "Couch" meme had me rolling. This man is gold. The MAGA crowd is calling him "Tampon Tim". Because he passed a law where schools had to keep menstrual hygiene products in the girls restrooms. Like...is that even an insult? What you expect from a party of anti-free lunch, anti-welfare, anti-social security, anti-veteran care, anti-free health care, anti-happiness. If I were him, I'd wear that as a badge of honor. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 7, 2024 23:35:13 GMT
Dang! Tim Walz brought the house down! This just shows the lack of energy Biden had. It was sorely missed. That's not to knock Joe but Dems needed this shot in the arm. The swing at the "Couch" meme had me rolling. This man is gold. The MAGA crowd is calling him "Tampon Tim". Because he passed a law where schools had to keep menstrual hygiene products in the girls restrooms. Like...is that even an insult? What you expect from a party of anti-free lunch, anti-welfare, anti-social security, anti-veteran care, anti-free health care, anti-happiness. If I were him, I'd wear that as a badge of honor. It's easy for Dems to frame 'Tampon Tim' as typical conservative right anti-women rhetoric. Dems don't know how to do that. Walz does and I hope he tackles that straight on. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Aug 19, 2024 15:12:34 GMT
I am amazed at the amount of energy Harris turn of events have generated. Let's hope they could keep it till the end. I always believed that beating Trump should be easy, and the strategy of approaching sectors of the Republicans (like Kinzinger, Grisham, and others) to chip away Trump hold on GOP enclaves might be effective. This is a game of very small gains, tactical and if Dems keep their message simple and just let the other guy open his mouth a win may be at hand in November.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Aug 25, 2024 14:59:50 GMT
SciFi buddy John Scalzi remains cautiously optimistic and I agree with him. Let's rule for Dems and for them not to loose steam or sit comfortably. Trump can be defeated.
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 25, 2024 18:56:17 GMT
He can be defeated. My concern is that Dems have a knack of shooting themselves in the foot as the second paragraph suggests.
The dynamics have changed so radically. Trump can tell Christians they'll only need to vote this one time and never again, an obvious anti-democratic stance, and it goes practically unremarked. Dems on the other hand say iota and Reps jump all over it, exaggerate it, extrapolate, you name it.
It's important to note that Harris hasn't had a press interview yet. While I think she would do fine the weight of what she or any Dems says is off balance.
And of course.....the Electoral College.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 25, 2024 19:18:14 GMT
She'll do a press push when she needs to.
I expect closer to the debate. She'll basically be forced to by that point, one way or other. That said, right now, it's not remotely hurting her, so I wouldn't be in a rush to engage with right-leaning, horse race media until I had to.
Right now, she doesn't have to.
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Post by scenario on Aug 25, 2024 19:51:15 GMT
One problem is that anything a candidate says with any substance will be used against them. Saying anything more than "I like apple pie," is foolish in the current environment. Most people don't care about policies.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 25, 2024 20:07:53 GMT
One problem is that anything a candidate says with any substance will be used against them. Saying anything more than "I like apple pie," is foolish in the current environment. Most people don't care about policies. Most people don't understand policy. That's what a couple generations of undercutting education gets you. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 1, 2024 17:51:48 GMT
Sometimes I think media conglomerates just want Trump to be president, as if chaos was better for business. Why don't educate people about the fact that Trump have ACTUALLY committed crimes?
I bet Harris will have a lot more hard time conveying her message because media people will keep taking her words out context while de-emphasizing the other side guy fascist, word salad nonsense.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 1, 2024 19:27:05 GMT
Sometimes I think media conglomerates just want Trump to be president, as if chaos was better for business. Why don't educate people about the fact that Trump have ACTUALLY committed crimes? I bet Harris will have a lot more hard time conveying her message because media people will keep taking her words out context while de-emphasizing the other side guy fascist, word salad nonsense.
"Donald Trump may be bad for America, but he's good for CBS." -- Les Moonves *** That's all it boils down to. Donald Trump is engagement. Donald Trump is clicks. Therefore, Donald Trump is money. They don't care about fascism because they have no interest in truth, and they haven't for a very long time. They're used to saying what they're told. They don't really care who does the telling. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 2, 2024 4:01:16 GMT
Sometimes I think media conglomerates just want Trump to be president, as if chaos was better for business. Why don't educate people about the fact that Trump have ACTUALLY committed crimes? You don't have to wonder about that at all. My wife is in banking. In 2016 all the bank mucky mucks had their annual meeting....where else....Vegas. All the old very wealthy white men were telling my wife "you gotta vote Trump". |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 2, 2024 16:32:47 GMT
Sometimes I think media conglomerates just want Trump to be president, as if chaos was better for business. Why don't educate people about the fact that Trump have ACTUALLY committed crimes? You don't have to wonder about that at all. My wife is in banking. In 2016 all the bank mucky mucks had their annual meeting....where else....Vegas. All the old very wealthy white men were telling my wife "you gotta vote Trump". I bet they are still saying the same thing on 2024... |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Sept 2, 2024 16:42:12 GMT
Zero doubt.
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Post by scenario on Sept 3, 2024 1:56:25 GMT
If your really, really rich voting Republican makes sense if you think short term and only care about yourself. Republican's stated goal is to eliminate all taxes from rich people and corporations and destroy the safety net to pay for it. Poor Republican's probably still won't understand when the Republicans eliminate social security, medicare, medicade, unemployment insurance, child labor laws, etc. They'll still blame the Democrats.
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Post by nombrecomun on Sept 3, 2024 2:43:50 GMT
If your really, really rich voting Republican makes sense if you think short term and only care about yourself. Republican's stated goal is to eliminate all taxes from rich people and corporations and destroy the safety net to pay for it. Poor Republican's probably still won't understand when the Republicans eliminate social security, medicare, medicade, unemployment insurance, child labor laws, etc. They'll still blame the Democrats. Yep. Poor conservatives/Republicans still believe in the fantasy notion of "work hard/get rich" even though their own current leader was born with a silver spoon up his a$$. They also believe in "the other" as the reason for their current predicaments. Whether it's lefties, or immigrants, or minorities, or etc.... Rich folks want that scenario. Employees will basically be slaves at that point, tied to a job for survival, until they drop dead at work. Come to think about it, we're practically there. |
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Post by scenario on Sept 3, 2024 3:47:02 GMT
If your really, really rich voting Republican makes sense if you think short term and only care about yourself. Republican's stated goal is to eliminate all taxes from rich people and corporations and destroy the safety net to pay for it. Poor Republican's probably still won't understand when the Republicans eliminate social security, medicare, medicade, unemployment insurance, child labor laws, etc. They'll still blame the Democrats. Yep. Poor conservatives/Republicans still believe in the fantasy notion of "work hard/get rich" even though their own current leader was born with a silver spoon up his a$$. They also believe in "the other" as the reason for their current predicaments. Whether it's lefties, or immigrants, or minorities, or etc.... Rich folks want that scenario. Employees will basically be slaves at that point, tied to a job for survival, until they drop dead at work. Come to think about it, we're practically there. Republican's talk about free enterprise but what they are intentionally creating is the new Feudalism. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Sept 10, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
My easy prediction for tonight "debate":
1. The Press will suck and will allow from the Orange Turd the most outrageous pronouncements.
2. The aforementioned guy will call Harris "nasty woman" at least twice.
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT