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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 11, 2023 20:42:14 GMT
That totally makes sense. Has there been a scene in which she talks about it? No. But it makes absolute sense. And that's the problem with it. It relies on current reaction to the concept of 'deadnaming' rather then what the character believes. What has happened to her from last season to this season for her to be subservient(for lack of a better word)? Considering how melodramatic these shows tend to be I find it odd that there hasn't been a scene in which she talks about it. It really would make for....gasp....good drama. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 11, 2023 22:59:20 GMT
No. But it makes absolute sense. And that's the problem with it. It relies on current reaction to the concept of 'deadnaming' rather then what the character believes. What has happened to her from last season to this season for her to be subservient(for lack of a better word)? Considering how melodramatic these shows tend to be I find it odd that there hasn't been a scene in which she talks about it. It really would make for....gasp....good drama. Maybe she'll spill it, but I kind of doubt it. Seems as though Matalas has more "important" things he wants to do. Ryan just seems to be there at this point for Captain Jackass to psychologically torture. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 11, 2023 23:28:23 GMT
I've had a lot of problems with the overall depiction of Seven this season. (So far.) I thought it was better this episode, but overall she barely seems to be the same character from the previous two seasons of Picard, let alone Voyager.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 12, 2023 0:54:33 GMT
I've had a lot of problems with the overall depiction of Seven this season. (So far.) I thought it was better this episode, but overall she barely seems to be the same character from the previous two seasons of Picard, let alone Voyager. She is not. I hope the story don't leave this hanging. Something happen to her. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 12, 2023 16:54:55 GMT
That totally makes sense. Has there been a scene in which she talks about it? No. But it makes absolute sense. That's what I inferred, but yeah, it's never been confirmed in dialogue. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 13, 2023 0:19:13 GMT
A theory. I don't think it works but here it is:
Everything that we see to Picard and Seven(why 7?) experiencing is because they are trapped by Moriarty in a similar device Picard trapped him in. That's why see the characters are 'off'. That's why see Picard having a son. I don't think Jack is really his son but it's what Picard imagines a la Nexus. Maybe Bev is trapped in there as well.
Raffaela(I love that!) and Worf are after this device in the real world.
The only place I can see so far that this falls apart is that we do have an independent scene this last week with Plummer and her hand. It doesn't include Picard or Seven.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 13, 2023 2:54:59 GMT
A theory. I don't think it works but here it is: Everything that we see to Picard and Seven(why 7?) experiencing is because they are trapped by Moriarty in a similar device Picard trapped him in. That's why see the characters are 'off'. That's why see Picard having a son. I don't think Jack is really his son but it's what Picard imagines a la Nexus. Maybe Bev is trapped in there as well. Raffaela(I love that!) and Worf are after this device in the real world. The only place I can see so far that this falls apart is that we do have an independent scene this last week with Plummer and her hand. It doesn't include Picard or Seven. I love theories and this is a great one. Unlikely, but great... Back on DS9 days there was a rumor that they wanted to make the entire Trek premise a kind of dream out Benny Russel brain. It is a fantastic notion! Incredibly hard to convincingly pulled off, but really radical... By the same token, on Trek often reality is not what is seem. The holodeck is a great story-telling device; what if godlike beings (like the Prophets and the Pah-Wraiths) are waging a war inside corporeal consciousness using advanced holo-tech?
I also do not think that Jack is really his son, is so off-character to Picard that make it seem like a holo-invention. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 13, 2023 22:48:28 GMT
A theory. I don't think it works but here it is: Everything that we see to Picard and Seven(why 7?) experiencing is because they are trapped by Moriarty in a similar device Picard trapped him in. That's why see the characters are 'off'. That's why see Picard having a son. I don't think Jack is really his son but it's what Picard imagines a la Nexus. Maybe Bev is trapped in there as well. Raffaela(I love that!) and Worf are after this device in the real world. The only place I can see so far that this falls apart is that we do have an independent scene this last week with Plummer and her hand. It doesn't include Picard or Seven. I also think this is a great theory. I think it absolutely works. I guess the problem with it is that it depends on fairly deep TNG knowledge. You'd have to know who Moriarty is (in TMG terms), and you'd have to remember that old episode. Mind you, everything about Picard S3 so far is rooted in nostalgia, so that's not an ask that seems out of step. A "Previously on ST: TNG" recap would do the job, which they once did on Discovery S2 when they needed to bring the audience up to speed with Pike's history. If your theory was a piece of drama, it'd be a daring sleight-of-hand - a helluva twist. And yeah, it'd explain everything that's been slightly 'off' so far. If this is in any way an approximation of where this show is going, then hats off to them. I think it'd be a courageous and very fun development. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 14, 2023 0:36:39 GMT
Imagine Moriarty exacting revenge on Picard by leaving him forever on a Kataan simulation! 🤣 That would be the very definition of ironic twist.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 14, 2023 14:15:57 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 14, 2023 14:31:46 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way. Honestly, I'd happily go with it, just to spackle over some of the mess. But I don't think Matalas is that clever. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 14, 2023 15:53:30 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way. I would absolutely hate it if that's what it turns out to be. It means we just watched almost half a 'season' of basically nothing. Borrowing from Wandavision, you spend 2 eps max in the holodeck fantasy but by the third ep you show us what's behind the curtain; who's pulling the strings. We're almost halfway there but have no idea what the actual plot of the show is actually about. Regardless of what they do it's terrible writing and storytelling. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 14, 2023 19:50:40 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way. There's a part of me that would admire such complete sleight-of-hand, and how it would explain the sense of discontinuity between this set of stories and the old Trekverse. However, it would be a massive cheat. It'd totally undermine the drama of what we've seen so far. It's something that works much better in a sort of Twilight Zone format, although as I'm sure you recall, TNG did do something very similar once, in S6's Frame of Mind so I wouldn't put it beyond what this production team are thinking. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 15, 2023 0:31:47 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way. I would absolutely hate it if that's what it turns out to be. It means we just watched almost half a 'season' of basically nothing. Borrowing from Wandavision, you spend 2 eps max in the holodeck fantasy but by the third ep you show us what's behind the curtain; who's pulling the strings. We're almost halfway there but have no idea what the actual plot of the show is actually about. Regardless of what they do it's terrible writing and storytelling. That was one of my biggest gripes about WandaVision (among others); it was multiple episodes wasted on Wanda's head canon. None of it 'really' happened. If PIC resorted to that kind of cheap trick, I'd be tempted to give up on it, as I did with Lower Decks (a decision I've never regretted, BTW). |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 15, 2023 0:33:33 GMT
I would absolutely hate it if that's what it turns out to be. It means we just watched almost half a 'season' of basically nothing. Borrowing from Wandavision, you spend 2 eps max in the holodeck fantasy but by the third ep you show us what's behind the curtain; who's pulling the strings. We're almost halfway there but have no idea what the actual plot of the show is actually about. Regardless of what they do it's terrible writing and storytelling. That was one of my biggest gripes about WandaVision (among others); it was multiple episodes wasted on Wanda's head canon. None of it 'really' happened. If PIC resorted to that kind of cheap trick, I'd be tempted to give up on it, as I did with Lower Decks (a decision I've never regretted, BTW). ^ Absolutely this. Such a cheat is something you can more easily pull off in a standalone episode, or a half-hour anthology show, but not waste a season on it. That's just a waste of time. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 15, 2023 0:46:35 GMT
I may be alone on this, but I'd find the holographic simulation theory to be a bit of a cheat if they actually went that way. There's a part of me that would admire such complete sleight-of-hand, and how it would explain the sense of discontinuity between this set of stories and the old Trekverse. However, it would be a massive cheat. It'd totally undermine the drama of what we've seen so far. It's something that works much better in a sort of Twilight Zone format, although as I'm sure you recall, TNG did do something very similar once, in S6's Frame of Mind so I wouldn't put it beyond what this production team are thinking. That's exactly it. You said it best. It would be the best way to explain character inconsistencies but it would be a cheat. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 15, 2023 2:43:56 GMT
There's a part of me that would admire such complete sleight-of-hand, and how it would explain the sense of discontinuity between this set of stories and the old Trekverse. However, it would be a massive cheat. It'd totally undermine the drama of what we've seen so far. It's something that works much better in a sort of Twilight Zone format, although as I'm sure you recall, TNG did do something very similar once, in S6's Frame of Mind so I wouldn't put it beyond what this production team are thinking. That's exactly it. You said it best. It would be the best way to explain character inconsistencies but it would be a cheat. Wouldn't completely surprise me though if Matalas decided to null half the season. |
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