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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 27, 2023 19:12:14 GMT
Here.
Judging by the stills up at Trekcore, it looks like Bev is doing some explaining, and I greatly look forward to hearing it.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 27, 2023 20:58:09 GMT
Wow, the sickbay has been the brightest lit set yet in this season....Like it actually looks like it might be Starfleet.... unless the images have been brightened or something, or they haven't applied the filter yet.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 27, 2023 21:15:09 GMT
It dares look like someone paid the electric bill.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 28, 2023 1:36:39 GMT
It dares look like someone paid the electric bill. Still kinda dark, though.  Also... I'm hoping that "Seventeen Seconds" isn't referring to the length of time it took to make Jack Jr.  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 28, 2023 3:54:53 GMT
It dares look like someone paid the electric bill. Still kinda dark, though. Also... I'm hoping that "Seventeen Seconds" isn't referring to the length of time it took to make Jack Jr. C'mon, man, he was just excited. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 28, 2023 14:37:22 GMT
Still kinda dark, though. Also... I'm hoping that "Seventeen Seconds" isn't referring to the length of time it took to make Jack Jr. C'mon, man, he was just excited. LOL I'm sure they'll tease it out for at least another episode or so, too. I just get tired of waiting three or more episodes for information we would've received in under one hour of TNG. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 28, 2023 15:45:15 GMT
C'mon, man, he was just excited. LOL I'm sure they'll tease it out for at least another episode or so, too. I just get tired of waiting three or more episodes for information we would've received in under one hour of TNG. I don't know why they can't handle: - Overall arc that unfolds in Eps 1-10 - Smaller stories with the characters that unfold and RESOLVE in 3 or 4 episodes. - Events in one episode for a character that have impacts going forward that serve the smaller arcs or the larger one. We have at least 2 balls in the air here: - Vadic, probably part of a conspiracy by, or with Starfleet's Badmiral Mafia. - Crusher's love child. I almost threw in Raffi as a third ball, but they are going to stretch her out for the rest of the season so they can send her running here and there to drag out the main plot. There isn't 10 hours in either of these stories unless they pad them out with meaningless filler. (They already have and they will continue to) It's all just so tedious. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 28, 2023 23:40:06 GMT
LOL I'm sure they'll tease it out for at least another episode or so, too. I just get tired of waiting three or more episodes for information we would've received in under one hour of TNG. I don't know why they can't handle: - Overall arc that unfolds in Eps 1-10 - Smaller stories with the characters that unfold and RESOLVE in 3 or 4 episodes. - Events in one episode for a character that have impacts going forward that serve the smaller arcs or the larger one. We have at least 2 balls in the air here: - Vadic, probably part of a conspiracy by, or with Starfleet's Badmiral Mafia. - Crusher's love child. I almost threw in Raffi as a third ball, but they are going to stretch her out for the rest of the season so they can send her running here and there to drag out the main plot. There isn't 10 hours in either of these stories unless they pad them out with meaningless filler. (They already have and they will continue to) It's all just so tedious. When does "Strange New Worlds" come back again...   |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 1, 2023 3:31:43 GMT
I don't know why they can't handle: - Overall arc that unfolds in Eps 1-10 - Smaller stories with the characters that unfold and RESOLVE in 3 or 4 episodes. - Events in one episode for a character that have impacts going forward that serve the smaller arcs or the larger one. We have at least 2 balls in the air here: - Vadic, probably part of a conspiracy by, or with Starfleet's Badmiral Mafia. - Crusher's love child. I almost threw in Raffi as a third ball, but they are going to stretch her out for the rest of the season so they can send her running here and there to drag out the main plot. There isn't 10 hours in either of these stories unless they pad them out with meaningless filler. (They already have and they will continue to) It's all just so tedious. When does "Strange New Worlds" come back again... May, probably. So...a while. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 2, 2023 15:21:07 GMT
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I am not really digging this whole Beverly/Jean-Luc family reunion plot line. It is lazy. This is the future with very advance technology and Beverly goes "uppssy, I got pregnant". Common, we got condoms in the 21 first century, I bet they have like a hypospray that kills sperm instantly, or contraceptive nano spores in the incense they lighted. Whatever... But my main objection is philosophical. Why suddenly Picard seem like a "less" of a man because he chose not to have children? Is the story trying to make him "whole" by adding a kid to his storied life? Not having children is also part the human experience, and it is a valid one. In the vast spectrum of possibilities, remaining childless is also an option to live a fulfilling life. Why they are trying to "fix" Picard?
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Mar 2, 2023 15:38:47 GMT
SPOILER WARNING....SPOILER RANT ALSO... I don't know why they can't handle: - Overall arc that unfolds in Eps 1-10 - Smaller stories with the characters that unfold and RESOLVE in 3 or 4 episodes. - Events in one episode for a character that have impacts going forward that serve the smaller arcs or the larger one. We have at least 2 balls in the air here: - Vadic, probably part of a conspiracy by, or with Starfleet's Badmiral Mafia. - Crusher's love child. I almost threw in Raffi as a third ball, but they are going to stretch her out for the rest of the season so they can send her running here and there to drag out the main plot. There isn't 10 hours in either of these stories unless they pad them out with meaningless filler. (They already have and they will continue to) It's all just so tedious. When does "Strange New Worlds" come back again... I had a weird thing happen this morning when I watched Picard. I have the cheaper ADS version, but on of the ads was for Strange new Worlds and it said "Watch New Episodes Now" and i was like WTF? Did someone throw up the wrong ad? Also, godamitydoo cliché of Harlequin romance novels ....This...this had taken me straight out of the season. Its dumb. Not to say someone her age couldn't be child bearing, but usually in the 24th century, it has to be on purpose. I swear I don't think these writers know how female bodies work. I don't think they have heard of Menopause. Granted I know there's been cases of them happen very late in life, but that's rare, and I'm sure Doctor Crusher, being a MEDICAL DOCTOR would know she were capable of having children and birth control is available for both sexes with a simple hypo once a month. (Source: DS9) So conceiving Jack Crusher either wasn't an accident or the writers are stupid as Pakleds. Another observation.....Captain Shaw really shows us just how bad and dangerous of a design this bridge is for the Sagan and Neo-Constitution class. Edit: Why does everything on the Sagan Class and Neo-Constitution class look like it was build on the Grid from Tron Legacy? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 2, 2023 18:16:23 GMT
SPOILER WARNING....SPOILER RANT ALSO... When does "Strange New Worlds" come back again... I had a weird thing happen this morning when I watched Picard. I have the cheaper ADS version, but on of the ads was for Strange new Worlds and it said "Watch New Episodes Now" and i was like WTF? Did someone throw up the wrong ad? Also, godamitydoo cliché of Harlequin romance novels ....This...this had taken me straight out of the season. Its dumb. Not to say someone her age couldn't be child bearing, but usually in the 24th century, it has to be on purpose. I swear I don't think these writers know how female bodies work. I don't think they have heard of Menopause. Granted I know there's been cases of them happen very late in life, but that's rare, and I'm sure Doctor Crusher, being a MEDICAL DOCTOR would know she were capable of having children and birth control is available for both sexes with a simple hypo once a month. (Source: DS9) So conceiving Jack Crusher either wasn't an accident or the writers are stupid as Pakleds. Another observation.....Captain Shaw really shows us just how bad and dangerous of a design this bridge is for the Sagan and Neo-Constitution class. Edit: Why does everything on the Sagan Class and Neo-Constitution class look like it was build on the Grid from Tron Legacy? Okay...similar rant here, but, here we go: Beverly is....Beverly, and, by that, I mean she's utterly insufferable. I don't really care about her getting pregnant. I accept it even though it makes no sense because that's just the story at play. I accept that, in the 24th century, even someone her age NOW could conceive. The problem is that that would have to be a conscious choice. That would require medical intervention. Beverly Crusher would have been in her mid-50s, post-Nemesis and human evolution is what it is. She COULD have gotten pregnant naturally, but that would make her a stunningly rare occurrence. Another little issue with this is that, even if she is this rare possibility, the 24th century would let her know. A physical would tell her that she's still able to conceive and she'd act accordingly. But, whatever, she's pregnant and had a kid. Oh, my God though, the insufferable, emotionally abusive gymnastics she vaults through to blame HIM for the fact that she hid the fact that she had a kid. Since we're not doing anything truly original with this show, we can draw straight parallels to Kirk and Marcus. How did Carol lay it out? "Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine." Sure, she's angry about his absence, and, like Picard, Carol believed that Kirk was never going to be the one to leave that chair unless he was forced out. But SHE knows that SHE made a choice. She doesn't play the gaslighting abuser's line of, "Look what you made me do," which is all Crusher does here. Picard had a right to know. Picard had the right to make choices. But, if SHE takes it upon herself to deny him that and make choices for both of them unilaterally, she does not get to blame him for that.I officially, truly hate, Beverly Crusher and want the character to die. She is awful. Accent: "He went to school in London and couldn't shake it." Really? Okay. LOL. The Titan isn't much of a ship if "Everything they've got" is 4 torpedoes. Riker telling Picard he killed them all. Wut? The Shrike tracked you. It never stopped tracking you. With that wormhole gun, you were NEVER going to get out of that nebula. You were always going to end up where you are, or worse. Indeed, if you got aggressive instead of spending five extra minutes debating what to do with Picard, you might have gotten behind them. I don't know what good it would have done, but it was better than all that back and forth on the bridge which was wickedly out of character for both of them. Riker never would have gone 'round and 'round with Picard like that and Picard never would have tolerated it if he had. It was all just padding and dumb padding at that. I actually liked Worf here and the Changelings are a twist I have some curiosity about, so, overall, for that, this was better than last week's But it's still not good. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 2, 2023 18:44:43 GMT
I don't like it when Dad and the kids fight.
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 2, 2023 20:06:53 GMT
When does season 2 of SNW and Prodigy hit? I miss actual Trek. Once again I feel like I'm being taken for a ride. What could have been easily covered in one episode gets stretched into 3 and we still have no idea why the Shrike is after these folks. We've just spent 2 episodes in which the Federation ship gets pummeled but even for Picard it was clear the Shrike didn't mean to destroy them. So...what's the next move? A great example of padding: LaForge goes to check on Seven and starts off with a life story. No one asked you!!!  I'm gonna forget the Picard/Crusher conversation about Jack. Jack. What a damn generic name. Ok. Cool. The Changelings. Then why does that one guy keep the same face? He could have easily shape shifted to another look. Worf and Rafaella would have been clueless and the Changeling goes home or wherever. Dumb. Why does the Changeling stay strapped to the chair? He could have easily killed both and be gone. The Changelings participation would still be a secret. Dumb. This portrayal of Picard ain't the Picard I know. A once great character has been reduced to a babbling old man. We saw the Portal tech. Am I the only one who saw the torpedoes would be redirected back at them? Anyone? The humour is terrible but that's normal for Trek. Worf is good so far. They better not mess him up. Ok. Controversial topic here: I'm kinda surprised at how much addiction/drugs/withdrawal plays a part in this series so far. And it seems to be even more so in this season. Removing aside that we believe that several hundred of years from now this would be practically a non-issue, I can only imagine that this is a theme used because that's our Western, mostly American, experience of late. Especially with opiates in rural America. So....is this who TPTB feel are part of the viewing audience and/or wanting to appeal to those affected by drugs either directly or indirectly? It feels so cheap to me. I suppose that's more on us as a society. Drug addiction is such a problem in our culture that even our supposedly forward thinking scifi franchise regularly includes it as a theme. Now...I'm curious if we'll get to see some DS9 cast members with The Changeling introduction. Aside from Worf, who I still think of as TNG, who could it be? Who makes sense? Odo is out unless they do something horrific like CGI him and use some other voice. Does it even make sense to include anyone from DS9? |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 2, 2023 20:29:07 GMT
SPOILER WARNING....SPOILER RANT ALSO... I had a weird thing happen this morning when I watched Picard. I have the cheaper ADS version, but on of the ads was for Strange new Worlds and it said "Watch New Episodes Now" and i was like WTF? Did someone throw up the wrong ad? Also, godamitydoo cliché of Harlequin romance novels ....This...this had taken me straight out of the season. Its dumb. Not to say someone her age couldn't be child bearing, but usually in the 24th century, it has to be on purpose. I swear I don't think these writers know how female bodies work. I don't think they have heard of Menopause. Granted I know there's been cases of them happen very late in life, but that's rare, and I'm sure Doctor Crusher, being a MEDICAL DOCTOR would know she were capable of having children and birth control is available for both sexes with a simple hypo once a month. (Source: DS9) So conceiving Jack Crusher either wasn't an accident or the writers are stupid as Pakleds. Another observation.....Captain Shaw really shows us just how bad and dangerous of a design this bridge is for the Sagan and Neo-Constitution class. Edit: Why does everything on the Sagan Class and Neo-Constitution class look like it was build on the Grid from Tron Legacy? Okay...similar rant here, but, here we go: Beverly is....Beverly, and, by that, I mean she's utterly insufferable. I don't really care about her getting pregnant. I accept it even though it makes no sense because that's just the story at play. I accept that, in the 24th century, even someone her age NOW could conceive. The problem is that that would have to be a conscious choice. That would require medical intervention. Beverly Crusher would have been in her mid-50s, post-Nemesis and human evolution is what it is. She COULD have gotten pregnant naturally, but that would make her a stunningly rare occurrence. Another little issue with this is that, even if she is this rare possibility, the 24th century would let her know. A physical would tell her that she's still able to conceive and she'd act accordingly. But, whatever, she's pregnant and had a kid. Oh, my God though, the insufferable, emotionally abusive gymnastics she vaults through to blame HIM for the fact that she hid the fact that she had a kid. Since we're not doing anything truly original with this show, we can draw straight parallels to Kirk and Marcus. How did Carol lay it out? "Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine." Sure, she's angry about his absence, and, like Picard, Carol believed that Kirk was never going to be the one to leave that chair unless he was forced out. But SHE knows that SHE made a choice. She doesn't play the gaslighting abuser's line of, "Look what you made me do," which is all Crusher does here. Picard had a right to know. Picard had the right to make choices. But, if SHE takes it upon herself to deny him that and make choices for both of them unilaterally, she does not get to blame him for that.I officially, truly hate, Beverly Crusher and want the character to die. She is awful. Accent: "He went to school in London and couldn't shake it." Really? Okay. LOL. The Titan isn't much of a ship if "Everything they've got" is 4 torpedoes. Riker telling Picard he killed them all. Wut? The Shrike tracked you. It never stopped tracking you. With that wormhole gun, you were NEVER going to get out of that nebula. You were always going to end up where you are, or worse. Indeed, if you got aggressive instead of spending five extra minutes debating what to do with Picard, you might have gotten behind them. I don't know what good it would have done, but it was better than all that back and forth on the bridge which was wickedly out of character for both of them. Riker never would have gone 'round and 'round with Picard like that and Picard never would have tolerated it if he had. It was all just padding and dumb padding at that. I actually liked Worf here and the Changelings are a twist I have some curiosity about, so, overall, for that, this was better than last week's But it's still not good. ^ I came here to say all of what Prometheus just said, especially about Beverly; that just sucked. She deprived him of the choice to know his son; that is unforgivable. It's not as if Jean-Luc was a crack addict living on the street; he would've made a perfectly good father (see: GEN). Oh, and the 'living nebula' battle-stuff feels like the 20 minute Mutara Nebula sequence of TWOK protracted over three hours. Kinda like new, funnier Worf. Even at 70 years old, Dorn adds considerable energy to Raffi's otherwise dull and insufferable storyline. Changelings were a welcome twist, indeed, but still---it's ALL RECYCLED STUFF. Even the changelings plotting to take over Earth was done in DS9's "Paradise Lost." Everything I've seen this year comes from other movies and episodes. I haven't really seen one genuinely NEW idea yet. Jack Crusher being assaulted by the changeling was another bit lifted from DS9's "The Adversary" (where it was done with a lot more suspense, too). Star Trek Picard is a 3 hour dinner made of stale leftovers, smothered in heavy sauces to perk it all up. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 2, 2023 20:32:12 GMT
I don't like it when Dad and the kids fight. Riker sure seemed to have his venom sacks loaded for Picard, didn't he? These were the best of best friends; family, in fact. But the old man slips up in judgment and bam--out the airlock. I would think that Riker would've just had a ready room discussion with his former CO and tell him to cool it. Instead, they just duke it out on the bridge... in front of everybody. No one will want to follow either of them after that. Jeezus, professionalism, guys. Give it a try sometime. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 2, 2023 20:54:17 GMT
I don't like it when Dad and the kids fight. Riker sure seemed to have his venom sacks loaded for Picard, didn't he? These were the best of best friends; family, in fact. But the old man slips up in judgment and bam--out the airlock. I would think that Riker would've just had a ready room discussion with his former CO and tell him to cool it. Instead, they just duke it out on the bridge... in front of everybody. No one will want to follow either of them after that. Jeezus, professionalism, guys. Give it a try sometime. This never would have happened in the series or films. Hell, Data took Worf to the Ready Room and all he did was walk around huffy-puffy, and grouse, "Finally" once. What happened to these people? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 2, 2023 21:05:54 GMT
Okay...similar rant here, but, here we go: Beverly is....Beverly, and, by that, I mean she's utterly insufferable. I don't really care about her getting pregnant. I accept it even though it makes no sense because that's just the story at play. I accept that, in the 24th century, even someone her age NOW could conceive. The problem is that that would have to be a conscious choice. That would require medical intervention. Beverly Crusher would have been in her mid-50s, post-Nemesis and human evolution is what it is. She COULD have gotten pregnant naturally, but that would make her a stunningly rare occurrence. Another little issue with this is that, even if she is this rare possibility, the 24th century would let her know. A physical would tell her that she's still able to conceive and she'd act accordingly. But, whatever, she's pregnant and had a kid. Oh, my God though, the insufferable, emotionally abusive gymnastics she vaults through to blame HIM for the fact that she hid the fact that she had a kid. Since we're not doing anything truly original with this show, we can draw straight parallels to Kirk and Marcus. How did Carol lay it out? "Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine." Sure, she's angry about his absence, and, like Picard, Carol believed that Kirk was never going to be the one to leave that chair unless he was forced out. But SHE knows that SHE made a choice. She doesn't play the gaslighting abuser's line of, "Look what you made me do," which is all Crusher does here. Picard had a right to know. Picard had the right to make choices. But, if SHE takes it upon herself to deny him that and make choices for both of them unilaterally, she does not get to blame him for that.I officially, truly hate, Beverly Crusher and want the character to die. She is awful. Accent: "He went to school in London and couldn't shake it." Really? Okay. LOL. The Titan isn't much of a ship if "Everything they've got" is 4 torpedoes. Riker telling Picard he killed them all. Wut? The Shrike tracked you. It never stopped tracking you. With that wormhole gun, you were NEVER going to get out of that nebula. You were always going to end up where you are, or worse. Indeed, if you got aggressive instead of spending five extra minutes debating what to do with Picard, you might have gotten behind them. I don't know what good it would have done, but it was better than all that back and forth on the bridge which was wickedly out of character for both of them. Riker never would have gone 'round and 'round with Picard like that and Picard never would have tolerated it if he had. It was all just padding and dumb padding at that. I actually liked Worf here and the Changelings are a twist I have some curiosity about, so, overall, for that, this was better than last week's But it's still not good. ^ I came here to say all of what Prometheus just said, especially about Beverly; that just sucked. She deprived him of the choice to know his son; that is unforgivable. It's not as if Jean-Luc was a crack addict living on the street; he would've made a perfectly good father (see: GEN). Oh, and the 'living nebula' battle-stuff feels like the 20 minute Mutara Nebula sequence of TWOK protracted over three hours. Kinda like new, funnier Worf. Even at 70 years old, Dorn adds considerable energy to Raffi's otherwise dull and insufferable storyline. Changelings were a welcome twist, indeed, but still---it's ALL RECYCLED STUFF. Even the changelings plotting to take over Earth was done in DS9's "Paradise Lost." Everything I've seen this year comes from other movies and episodes. I haven't really seen one genuinely NEW idea yet. Jack Crusher being assaulted by the changeling was another bit lifted from DS9's "The Adversary" (where it was done with a lot more suspense, too). Star Trek Picard is a 3 hour dinner made of stale leftovers, smothered in heavy sauces to perk it all up. I think the living nebula bit is more than that. I think it's just that. There's something alive in it...a consciousness of some sort that ultimately spares them getting crushed, and, since I'm speculating, I'm guessing it takes the face of Moriarty somehow because, ever since his appearance dropped, and, especially right now, I can't figure out why else he might show up. And Nom is quite right that there's no reason at all that the Changeling Raffi and Worf caught would stay caught. I'll even give him GETTING caught long enough to see who the people after them were and what they knew. But, after that? He's out of those cuffs and Worf and Raffi are dead. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 2, 2023 21:42:20 GMT
I think the living nebula bit is more than that. I think it's just that. There's something alive in it...a consciousness of some sort that ultimately spares them getting crushed, and, since I'm speculating, I'm guessing it takes the face of Moriarty somehow because, ever since his appearance dropped, and, especially right now, I can't figure out why else he might show up. I forgot about Moriarty. This gets even more convoluted. Speculation: they've said that the destruction of the recruiting center was a distraction from something else. I'm wondering if that 'something else' is the Moriarty module. That's the actual target. For what? Who knows. Is Moriarty somehow now free and realizes Picard duped him? This whole plot so far is his revenge? Would be hella lame but I wouldn't put it past TPTB. Or is this whole thing happening in that Moriarty Module? That might explain the retro graphics and music. Who knows what these people are smoking? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 2, 2023 22:11:56 GMT
I think the living nebula bit is more than that. I think it's just that. There's something alive in it...a consciousness of some sort that ultimately spares them getting crushed, and, since I'm speculating, I'm guessing it takes the face of Moriarty somehow because, ever since his appearance dropped, and, especially right now, I can't figure out why else he might show up. I forgot about Moriarty. This gets even more convoluted. Speculation: they've said that the destruction of the recruiting center was a distraction from something else. I'm wondering if that 'something else' is the Moriarty module. That's the actual target. For what? Who knows. Is Moriarty somehow now free and realizes Picard duped him? This whole plot so far is his revenge? Would be hella lame but I wouldn't put it past TPTB. Or is this whole thing happening in that Moriarty Module? That might explain the retro graphics and music. Who knows what these people are smoking? So...........what? Moriarty is going to lead some holographic or AI revolution or something? I'm not at all saying you're wrong but I just honestly don't understand that endgame. That said, that "He's the real weapon," is actually contrived enough to be a thing. I'm literally laughing right now because there's an episode of Family Guy where Brian leeches onto his son to get a job as a writer on his son's TV show. (Think: Full House) He's in the writer's room and their pitching ideas and failed, mediocre writer Brian interrupts with: Guys, guys, come on, where's the STWISTUSION? Really? Really? I'm the only guy here who's heard of that? Stakes, twists, conclusion-- STWISTUSION.That is literally what this show is. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 2, 2023 22:35:16 GMT
I forgot about Moriarty. This gets even more convoluted. Speculation: they've said that the destruction of the recruiting center was a distraction from something else. I'm wondering if that 'something else' is the Moriarty module. That's the actual target. For what? Who knows. Is Moriarty somehow now free and realizes Picard duped him? This whole plot so far is his revenge? Would be hella lame but I wouldn't put it past TPTB. Or is this whole thing happening in that Moriarty Module? That might explain the retro graphics and music. Who knows what these people are smoking? So...........what? Moriarty is going to lead some holographic or AI revolution or something? I'm not at all saying you're wrong but I just honestly don't understand that endgame. That said, that "He's the real weapon," is actually contrived enough to be a thing. I have no idea what these people are thinking. I'm just trying to make sense(?) of what they could possibly be going for. In the end none of it matters because the characters are off, the dialog is bad, it's faux drama, etc... There might have been a good story with the Changelings twist we see here but I am confident these folks will botch it up. And now that there's Moriarty still pending.....ughhh |
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Post by scenario on Mar 2, 2023 22:51:37 GMT
When the best thing in a ST ep is Worf, there's a problem.
I expect the series to end with Picard waking up in his bed at home and it was all a dream.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Mar 2, 2023 23:25:46 GMT
Every legacy character is out of character in this. Riker is a smarter commander than this. Picard is a smarter commander than this. Seven, would never let her self be put down like Shaw has put her down. Beverly would never do...well anything she did this episode. Worf....well....actually, he's still in character....so far. -and Judging by the trailers, Troi is all in arms about Riker taking an adventure, you know like she never had a career in space either...and it looks like Laforge will be out of character too. Next, we'll have Lore being out of character doing something noble or something... And as Prometheus said, Everything you got is 4 Photon Torpedoes?...also....you'd think after 20 years they could have mass produced Quantum Torpedoes by now. Judging from the hull, that ship should have Phaser Banks on top of Phaser arrays. Firing everything you got should mean as follows - Firing every torpedo that can be loaded at once out of every Torpedo tube, firing every godamitydoo phaser emitter at once, I mean draining the banks to zero until the target is destroyed or your weapons run dry or overheat. I would think Jonathan Frakes would have had the Cinematographer hold the camera still when the ship isn't shaking. Stupid shaky drama cam.(Frakes directed this episode) Also "I think Its about time you call ME number 1"....How freakin childish is that? !!!! No, you're still an Admiral, get 7 of Nine back up here into the XO seat. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 2, 2023 23:34:11 GMT
When the best thing in a ST ep is Worf, there's a problem. I expect the series to end with Picard waking up in his bed at home and it was all a dream. And I don't think I would object to that. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 3, 2023 2:05:32 GMT
^ I came here to say all of what Prometheus just said, especially about Beverly; that just sucked. She deprived him of the choice to know his son; that is unforgivable. It's not as if Jean-Luc was a crack addict living on the street; he would've made a perfectly good father (see: GEN). Oh, and the 'living nebula' battle-stuff feels like the 20 minute Mutara Nebula sequence of TWOK protracted over three hours. Kinda like new, funnier Worf. Even at 70 years old, Dorn adds considerable energy to Raffi's otherwise dull and insufferable storyline. Changelings were a welcome twist, indeed, but still---it's ALL RECYCLED STUFF. Even the changelings plotting to take over Earth was done in DS9's "Paradise Lost." Everything I've seen this year comes from other movies and episodes. I haven't really seen one genuinely NEW idea yet. Jack Crusher being assaulted by the changeling was another bit lifted from DS9's "The Adversary" (where it was done with a lot more suspense, too). Star Trek Picard is a 3 hour dinner made of stale leftovers, smothered in heavy sauces to perk it all up. I think the living nebula bit is more than that. I think it's just that. There's something alive in it...a consciousness of some sort that ultimately spares them getting crushed, and, since I'm speculating, I'm guessing it takes the face of Moriarty somehow because, ever since his appearance dropped, and, especially right now, I can't figure out why else he might show up. And Nom is quite right that there's no reason at all that the Changeling Raffi and Worf caught would stay caught. I'll even give him GETTING caught long enough to see who the people after them were and what they knew. But, after that? He's out of those cuffs and Worf and Raffi are dead. Well, he was going a long time without turning to goo, so maybe he didn't have the ability to change shape enough to escape (?). But yeah, that feels like a weak-sauce explanation. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 3, 2023 3:21:13 GMT
The moral core of the episode (and maybe the season) is wrong! And I am really annoy by it. It takes a direct blow at Picard the character and weakens it. We can hand-waved the issue of making Picard a father and treat it as nothing, but it is not. During the seven seasons that lasted TNG not having kids of his own was a key feature of his personality and character (he even objected to having families and children on a spaceship). It was a conscious, ethical decision that we can expend countless hours disagreeing with but it was his own and that makes him unique: the life of a committed officer is not compatible with the responsibilities of fatherhood. He stuck to it during all his career. I can respect that. That's why accepting that Picard (a guy from 25th century, logical on his unwillingness to have kids) had a wild night with Beverly and got her pregnant is really difficult to accept. He rather go to Risa to take some steam off. We can shift the accusatory finger to Beverly and her questionable ethics (as the story as told seem to be suggesting) but in true is a flaw in the argument that the writers want us to accept. I bet by Picard century vasectomy will be a la carte, you just scan yourself with a tricorder and you become infertile for a couple of hours. And what of Starfleet intelligence? Are we to believe that the son of an admiral went unnoticed all these years?
What bothers me about this accidental fatherhood is that it has the smell of a cheap melodramatic ploy. It is used to distract us from the story shortcomings. Now our minds are engage in figuring out Beverly and Picard "romance" while bigger issues should be at stakes. As many have pointed out here and elsewhere, it really seems like the writers and producers gave and AI some key elements of TNG, Trek and the characters and the story that came out is just stiff, like a diorama of stick figures struggling to come to life. Guillermo del Toro "Pinochio" does a far better job of representing the life of puppets.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 3, 2023 3:22:44 GMT
I think the living nebula bit is more than that. I think it's just that. There's something alive in it...a consciousness of some sort that ultimately spares them getting crushed, and, since I'm speculating, I'm guessing it takes the face of Moriarty somehow because, ever since his appearance dropped, and, especially right now, I can't figure out why else he might show up. And Nom is quite right that there's no reason at all that the Changeling Raffi and Worf caught would stay caught. I'll even give him GETTING caught long enough to see who the people after them were and what they knew. But, after that? He's out of those cuffs and Worf and Raffi are dead. Well, he was going a long time without turning to goo, so maybe he didn't have the ability to change shape enough to escape (?). But yeah, that feels like a weak-sauce explanation. Yeah, if he needed to goo at that point, it seems like he'd just ginsu Raffi on the planet and ooze through a storm drain. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Mar 3, 2023 3:35:56 GMT
Well, after 3 episodes, I'm still watching, but it's mostly out of morbid curiosity by now, because it still just feels incredibly dumb. Why are the 4 torpedoes everything they've got? Well, because the way they've set up the Titan's strength (or lack thereof), if they had shot any more, our "heroes" would have been pulverized by their own torpedo volley. The writer's basically wrote themselves into a corner (or corralled themselves into a space portal) with their own gimmick. And am I the only one who thought they should just have warped to anywhere instead of sloooooowly turning to face the direction of the closest Starbase? Especially the SECOND time (I was almost yelling at my screen when I saw that). Sure, they had to "get out of the anomaly", but still, that portal really felt avoidable the way they filmed the sequence.
But thank Sto'Vo'Kor for Worf. Still doesn't make that plotline more engaging, though. And seeing the liquid meat bags Changelings being portrayed the way they were was as underwhelming as seeing Carl the Guardian of Forever in DIS' 32nd century.
I mean, one had a constant evil stare and almost cackled, while the other was telegraphed as a bad guy the second we saw him in the Titan's honour guard.
Can't wait for good guy Lore now...
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 3, 2023 7:53:23 GMT
And am I the only one who thought they should just have warped to anywhere instead of sloooooowly turning to face the direction of the closest Starbase? Especially the SECOND time (I was almost yelling at my screen when I saw that). Sure, they had to "get out of the anomaly", but still, that portal really felt avoidable the way they filmed the sequence. Yep. I thought the same thing. Just warp anywhere!!!! But definitely don't slowly telegraph your path. Ughhh.....This nuTrek really treats the audience as if we're stupid. Maybe many are. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 3, 2023 12:11:11 GMT
Well, he was going a long time without turning to goo, so maybe he didn't have the ability to change shape enough to escape (?). But yeah, that feels like a weak-sauce explanation. Yeah, if he needed to goo at that point, it seems like he'd just ginsu Raffi on the planet and ooze through a storm drain. See? There you go again... making sense and stuff.  |
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I am so sorry...