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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 3, 2023 12:12:02 GMT
And am I the only one who thought they should just have warped to anywhere instead of sloooooowly turning to face the direction of the closest Starbase? Especially the SECOND time (I was almost yelling at my screen when I saw that). Sure, they had to "get out of the anomaly", but still, that portal really felt avoidable the way they filmed the sequence. Yep. I thought the same thing. Just warp anywhere!!!! But definitely don't slowly telegraph your path. Ughhh.....This nuTrek really treats the audience as if we're stupid. Maybe many are. Right? They'd say 'punch it' and then take 20 seconds to turn around first. Since when?? |
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 3, 2023 14:02:33 GMT
Wasn't that the closest way out of the cloud? They did say they couldn't engage in the nebula I thought.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 3, 2023 14:59:47 GMT
Wasn't that the closest way out of the cloud? They did say they couldn't engage in the nebula I thought. They absolutely said that they couldn't go to warp in the cloud, yeah. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Mar 3, 2023 18:21:45 GMT
Wasn't that the closest way out of the cloud? They did say they couldn't engage in the nebula I thought. They absolutely said that they couldn't go to warp in the cloud, yeah. Indeed, yet visually, there was a much larger opening out of the "nebula" (especially on the left), but they went for the exact same spot. Twice. And falling into a portal a bit larger than the ship's width. Twice.
I mean, the "impossible to escape" plot point could easily make sense as a storytelling device. The issue here is that the visuals didn't fit what we were told.
But honestly, there was a lot of other issues with the whole "stuck in an anomaly, hunted by an implacable foe" storyline. The first one being that it has been better done before in Trek.
My other main issue is that I feel like I'm watching the same actors playing another universe's version of the characters they played on TNG.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 3, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
I'm at the point of knowing that the only way I'm going to halfway enjoy this is to convince myself this all takes place in some non-Prime universe and these are not the characters we knew on TNG. Because they aren't. Picard is not remotely, not even if I work to hypnotise myself to maintain some suspension-of-disbelief, the same guy who commanded the Enterprises D and E. There is no way that, if Riker had been in command of a starship and he needed to dress down his former superior officer, he'd have done it on a bridge full of people. Just no way. There's no ready room?
Where do I even start with what they've done to Beverly?
And the plot, such as it is, is straight out of the Big Book Of Things You've Seen a Million Times Before. The cat-and-mouse thing in the nebula, even the Changelings. It's all inching forward with the breakneck speed of a snail looking for breakfast. And this, so far, is the best of the three episodes that have aired.
I did get something out of the Worf scenes, though. I think if you play Worf wholly comedic, it's dangerous as you quickly become reliant on that, but I was so glad to have some bits that worked and were genuinely enjoyable. I love that he calls Raffi "Rafaella."
And Seven gets some action too, and a moment with LaForge junior which, though contrived, did press my buttons correctly.
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I'm finding it tough to find anything more to say, except that it's all so gratingly dumb.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 3, 2023 20:36:05 GMT
The moral core of the episode (and maybe the season) is wrong! And I am really annoy by it. It takes a direct blow at Picard the character and weakens it. We can hand-waved the issue of making Picard a father and treat it as nothing, but it is not. During the seven seasons that lasted TNG not having kids of his own was a key feature of his personality and character (he even objected to having families and children on a spaceship). It was a conscious, ethical decision that we can expend countless hours disagreeing with but it was his own and that makes him unique: the life of a committed officer is not compatible with the responsibilities of fatherhood. He stuck to it during all his career. I can respect that. That's why accepting that Picard (a guy from 25th century, logical on his unwillingness to have kids) had a wild night with Beverly and got her pregnant is really difficult to accept. He rather go to Risa to take some steam off. We can shift the accusatory finger to Beverly and her questionable ethics (as the story as told seem to be suggesting) but in true is a flaw in the argument that the writers want us to accept. I bet by Picard century vasectomy will be a la carte, you just scan yourself with a tricorder and you become infertile for a couple of hours. And what of Starfleet intelligence? Are we to believe that the son of an admiral went unnoticed all these years?
What bothers me about this accidental fatherhood is that it has the smell of a cheap melodramatic ploy. It is used to distract us from the story shortcomings. Now our minds are engage in figuring out Beverly and Picard "romance" while bigger issues should be at stakes. As many have pointed out here and elsewhere, it really seems like the writers and producers gave and AI some key elements of TNG, Trek and the characters and the story that came out is just stiff, like a diorama of stick figures struggling to come to life. Guillermo del Toro "Pinochio" does a far better job of representing the life of puppets.
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Post by Tupperfan on Mar 3, 2023 21:51:27 GMT
I'm finding it tough to find anything more to say, except that it's all so gratingly dumb. I keep getting back to it, but the plot, the characters' motivations and the storytelling gimmicks (including the heavy leaning on nostalgia) just seem exactly that: dumb.
As for the pace and cinematography, they're mostly annoying.
And I say that truly wanting to love that show. I did feel a tinge of excitement at seing Worf and even Crusher back, but it's just not enough to sustain the enjoyment or to entertain.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 4, 2023 2:07:36 GMT
They absolutely said that they couldn't go to warp in the cloud, yeah. Indeed, yet visually, there was a much larger opening out of the "nebula" (especially on the left), but they went for the exact same spot. Twice. And falling into a portal a bit larger than the ship's width. Twice.
I mean, the "impossible to escape" plot point could easily make sense as a storytelling device. The issue here is that the visuals didn't fit what we were told.
But honestly, there was a lot of other issues with the whole "stuck in an anomaly, hunted by an implacable foe" storyline. The first one being that it has been better done before in Trek. My other main issue is that I feel like I'm watching the same actors playing another universe's version of the characters they played on TNG.
DS9's "Starship Down" was absolutely derivative as well, but it had enough new and unique dynamics going on that it stands alone. So far, this is literally nothing I haven't already seen, beat for beat. And, yes, I think that nails it. These people are some alternate version of the people I knew. Picard alone...I have no problem with Picard being old because people get old. But this Picard is weak. Weak of will, weak of conviction, and it's like he remembers nothing of how to be in command of a starship at all. This Picard is a shell of the man that was in TNG. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 4, 2023 2:10:58 GMT
The moral core of the episode (and maybe the season) is wrong! And I am really annoy by it. It takes a direct blow at Picard the character and weakens it. We can hand-waved the issue of making Picard a father and treat it as nothing, but it is not. During the seven seasons that lasted TNG not having kids of his own was a key feature of his personality and character (he even objected to having families and children on a spaceship). It was a conscious, ethical decision that we can expend countless hours disagreeing with but it was his own and that makes him unique: the life of a committed officer is not compatible with the responsibilities of fatherhood. He stuck to it during all his career. I can respect that. That's why accepting that Picard (a guy from 25th century, logical on his unwillingness to have kids) had a wild night with Beverly and got her pregnant is really difficult to accept. He rather go to Risa to take some steam off. We can shift the accusatory finger to Beverly and her questionable ethics (as the story as told seem to be suggesting) but in true is a flaw in the argument that the writers want us to accept. I bet by Picard century vasectomy will be a la carte, you just scan yourself with a tricorder and you become infertile for a couple of hours. And what of Starfleet intelligence? Are we to believe that the son of an admiral went unnoticed all these years?
What bothers me about this accidental fatherhood is that it has the smell of a cheap melodramatic ploy. It is used to distract us from the story shortcomings. Now our minds are engage in figuring out Beverly and Picard "romance" while bigger issues should be at stakes. As many have pointed out here and elsewhere, it really seems like the writers and producers gave and AI some key elements of TNG, Trek and the characters and the story that came out is just stiff, like a diorama of stick figures struggling to come to life. Guillermo del Toro "Pinochio" does a far better job of representing the life of puppets.
Absolutely this. It's a terrible idea. I can't believe they thought it would fly. I'm going to be honest here. For me, there has never been a romance here. McFadden and Stewart, even if they both had PhDs in it, couldn't come up with an ounce of chemistry for Picard and Crusher. There's never been anything there for me, which makes this all the more painful. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 4, 2023 4:33:38 GMT
Absolutely this. It's a terrible idea. I can't believe they thought it would fly. I'm going to be honest here. For me, there has never been a romance here. McFadden and Stewart, even if they both had PhDs in it, couldn't come up with an ounce of chemistry for Picard and Crusher. There's never been anything there for me, which makes this all the more painful. To me they come across as F-buddies. Two people who like each other and ask each other to come over when they're in the mood because they both realized long ago there was no risk they'd ever really develop deep feelings for each other. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 4, 2023 5:34:35 GMT
I'm going to be honest here. For me, there has never been a romance here. McFadden and Stewart, even if they both had PhDs in it, couldn't come up with an ounce of chemistry for Picard and Crusher. There's never been anything there for me, which makes this all the more painful. To me they come across as F-buddies. Two people who like each other and ask each other to come over when they're in the mood because they both realized long ago there was no risk they'd ever really develop deep feelings for each other. I would object less to it all if they even came across as that. There's just nothing there. It looks like what it always was: a man and a woman who are friends because her husband was best friends with him. Now he's dead and they are still bonded in that shared relationship. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 4, 2023 6:10:38 GMT
Absolutely this. It's a terrible idea. I can't believe they thought it would fly. I'm going to be honest here. For me, there has never been a romance here. McFadden and Stewart, even if they both had PhDs in it, couldn't come up with an ounce of chemistry for Picard and Crusher. There's never been anything there for me, which makes this all the more painful. True. The only romantic chemistry McFadden ever had on TNG was with a green ghost after reading her granma's erotic diary, and we all know that is not exactly top Trek. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 4, 2023 14:24:09 GMT
I'm going to be honest here. For me, there has never been a romance here. McFadden and Stewart, even if they both had PhDs in it, couldn't come up with an ounce of chemistry for Picard and Crusher. There's never been anything there for me, which makes this all the more painful. True. The only romantic chemistry McFadden ever had on TNG was with a green ghost after reading her granma's erotic diary, and we all know that is not exactly top Trek. And, as we know, Matalas has hinted there’ll be some reference to that story in Picard S3. Can’t wait. There was a reason the TNG writing staff dropped the Picard/Crusher romance and ultimately dealt with it once and for all in the S7 episode Attached. The reason is that utter lack of chemistry or inherent believability (that we all see!), so to resurrect it as a central plank of your character interaction now because you need a “next generation” character is possibly the most contrived thing this series has yet achieved. To me, it seems like folly, but people out there in Internetland are lapping it up. Talking contrivances - what else is Trek? - I think that’s my big problem. TNG originally ran more on ideas, and it was Michael Piller who shifted the focus to character, relying on the essential chemistry of the actors. The characters aren’t that much more than a collection of traits, all bound together by their adventuring, but now they’re being treated with the deep focus of prestige drama and it doesn’t really work. Well, I think Chabon made it almost work in S1, and I could accept that Seven’s innate sense of morality had set her on a path that took her to the Fenris Rangers given that the Federation had abdicated any such role in the galaxy. But in S2 and S3 Picard’s a totally different man from what he once was, bereft of any ability for command or any moral authority. They’ve even thrown away most of Seven’s character development of the prior two seasons to shoehorn her into this command role. I can sort of accept that, but it’s all so haphazard and now this Picard/Crusher thing again makes it all feel like terrible soap opera. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 4, 2023 18:50:08 GMT
True. The only romantic chemistry McFadden ever had on TNG was with a green ghost after reading her granma's erotic diary, and we all know that is not exactly top Trek. And, as we know, Matalas has hinted there’ll be some reference to that story in Picard S3. Can’t wait. There was a reason the TNG writing staff dropped the Picard/Crusher romance and ultimately dealt with it once and for all in the S7 episode Attached. The reason is that utter lack of chemistry or inherent believability (that we all see!), so to resurrect it as a central plank of your character interaction now because you need a “next generation” character is possibly the most contrived thing this series has yet achieved. To me, it seems like folly, but people out there in Internetland are lapping it up. Talking contrivances - what else is Trek? - I think that’s my big problem. TNG originally ran more on ideas, and it was Michael Piller who shifted the focus to character, relying on the essential chemistry of the actors. The characters aren’t that much more than a collection of traits, all bound together by their adventuring, but now they’re being treated with the deep focus of prestige drama and it doesn’t really work. Well, I think Chabon made it almost work in S1, and I could accept that Seven’s innate sense of morality had set her on a path that took her to the Fenris Rangers given that the Federation had abdicated any such role in the galaxy. But in S2 and S3 Picard’s a totally different man from what he once was, bereft of any ability for command or any moral authority. They’ve even thrown away most of Seven’s character development of the prior two seasons to shoehorn her into this command role. I can sort of accept that, but it’s all so haphazard and now this Picard/Crusher thing again makes it all feel like terrible soap opera. They really are gushing over it. The TVLine Performers of the Week: Patrick Stewart and Gates McFaddentvline.com/lists/patrick-stewart-gates-mcfadden-star-trek-picard-performance-season-3-episode-3/ Really, well, yes. I get it, it's a great scene with one caveat and it's a caveat that destroys the scene and we've already spoken about it here. If you were never a Trekkie and I sat you down and showed you that, you'd probably like the scene on its own merits. Because you didn't know them. I know them. I've known these people since, what, '87? These people are not those people. I desperately want someone to pull Picard aside and, "WTF happened to you, man? You were once a force of nature. I'd think that going golem took something out of you, but there was something missing before you did that." Look at Kirk? He was old. He was on the way out, too, but he never stopped being Kirk to service a weak story. McCoy needs. Spocks's freakin' GHOST needs and what's his response? "F--- everything. I'm stealing a ship and will nuke the rest of my life because those are my friends and I am the man that I am." A good story was written around a strong character that matches what has always been shown to us about that character. This Picard? One of my longtime criticisms of Voyager has been that Janeway, more often than not, was written to service the hour and not the hour written to service Janeway. One week she's all about the Prime Directive, the next week she's ready to violate the space of a sovereign power to shave a year off the trip, and how dare those bullies protect their borders. This is what's happened to Picard. He was deliberately hollowed out so that, from S2 onwards, he repeatedly grovels to get people to do what's right. This Picard exists to serve cheap melodrama like Crusher and that utterly ludicrous argument on the bridge about exactly who is in command and what to do. These people don't know how to ask WWJLPD and write to that. "I'm the writer and he'll do what I want." And that's just weak. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 4, 2023 20:44:23 GMT
I get the feeling that at least some of the fans who love it are movie ST fans who've only seen a handful of episodes.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 4, 2023 21:05:05 GMT
I get the feeling that at least some of the fans who love it are movie ST fans who've only seen a handful of episodes. Yup. They have a passing familiarity. Enough so that they're looking for something to watch, I've heard of these guys, and it looks like a crazy little adventure. But that's it. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 4, 2023 23:19:00 GMT
It feels like one of those movies that says "based on the novel by..." but has nothing to do with the novel.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 5, 2023 0:18:52 GMT
And, as we know, Matalas has hinted there’ll be some reference to that story in Picard S3. Can’t wait. There was a reason the TNG writing staff dropped the Picard/Crusher romance and ultimately dealt with it once and for all in the S7 episode Attached. The reason is that utter lack of chemistry or inherent believability (that we all see!), so to resurrect it as a central plank of your character interaction now because you need a “next generation” character is possibly the most contrived thing this series has yet achieved. To me, it seems like folly, but people out there in Internetland are lapping it up. Talking contrivances - what else is Trek? - I think that’s my big problem. TNG originally ran more on ideas, and it was Michael Piller who shifted the focus to character, relying on the essential chemistry of the actors. The characters aren’t that much more than a collection of traits, all bound together by their adventuring, but now they’re being treated with the deep focus of prestige drama and it doesn’t really work. Well, I think Chabon made it almost work in S1, and I could accept that Seven’s innate sense of morality had set her on a path that took her to the Fenris Rangers given that the Federation had abdicated any such role in the galaxy. But in S2 and S3 Picard’s a totally different man from what he once was, bereft of any ability for command or any moral authority. They’ve even thrown away most of Seven’s character development of the prior two seasons to shoehorn her into this command role. I can sort of accept that, but it’s all so haphazard and now this Picard/Crusher thing again makes it all feel like terrible soap opera. They really are gushing over it. The TVLine Performers of the Week: Patrick Stewart and Gates McFaddentvline.com/lists/patrick-stewart-gates-mcfadden-star-trek-picard-performance-season-3-episode-3/ Really, well, yes. I get it, it's a great scene with one caveat and it's a caveat that destroys the scene and we've already spoken about it here. If you were never a Trekkie and I sat you down and showed you that, you'd probably like the scene on its own merits. Because you didn't know them. I know them. I've known these people since, what, '87? These people are not those people. I desperately want someone to pull Picard aside and, "WTF happened to you, man? You were once a force of nature. I'd think that going golem took something out of you, but there was something missing before you did that." Look at Kirk? He was old. He was on the way out, too, but he never stopped being Kirk to service a weak story. McCoy needs. Spocks's freakin' GHOST needs and what's his response? "F--- everything. I'm stealing a ship and will nuke the rest of my life because those are my friends and I am the man that I am." A good story was written around a strong character that matches what has always been shown to us about that character. This Picard? One of my longtime criticisms of Voyager has been that Janeway, more often than not, was written to service the hour and not the hour written to service Janeway. One week she's all about the Prime Directive, the next week she's ready to violate the space of a sovereign power to shave a year off the trip, and how dare those bullies protect their borders. This is what's happened to Picard. He was deliberately hollowed out so that, from S2 onwards, he repeatedly grovels to get people to do what's right. This Picard exists to serve cheap melodrama like Crusher and that utterly ludicrous argument on the bridge about exactly who is in command and what to do. These people don't know how to ask WWJLPD and write to that. "I'm the writer and he'll do what I want." And that's just weak. I think this might be one of my all time favorite posts on the Internet, ever [Clapping emojis that I can’t insert into post] |
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Post by scenario on Mar 5, 2023 0:27:55 GMT
My hypothesis, all the NG characters except Worf have been kidnapped and replaced by shapeshifters in a nonsensical plan to conquer the galaxy.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 5, 2023 1:23:21 GMT
Wasn't that the closest way out of the cloud? They did say they couldn't engage in the nebula I thought. They absolutely said that they couldn't go to warp in the cloud, yeah. I must've zoned out by that point (haha). |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 5, 2023 1:24:44 GMT
And, as we know, Matalas has hinted there’ll be some reference to that story in Picard S3. Can’t wait. There was a reason the TNG writing staff dropped the Picard/Crusher romance and ultimately dealt with it once and for all in the S7 episode Attached. The reason is that utter lack of chemistry or inherent believability (that we all see!), so to resurrect it as a central plank of your character interaction now because you need a “next generation” character is possibly the most contrived thing this series has yet achieved. To me, it seems like folly, but people out there in Internetland are lapping it up. Talking contrivances - what else is Trek? - I think that’s my big problem. TNG originally ran more on ideas, and it was Michael Piller who shifted the focus to character, relying on the essential chemistry of the actors. The characters aren’t that much more than a collection of traits, all bound together by their adventuring, but now they’re being treated with the deep focus of prestige drama and it doesn’t really work. Well, I think Chabon made it almost work in S1, and I could accept that Seven’s innate sense of morality had set her on a path that took her to the Fenris Rangers given that the Federation had abdicated any such role in the galaxy. But in S2 and S3 Picard’s a totally different man from what he once was, bereft of any ability for command or any moral authority. They’ve even thrown away most of Seven’s character development of the prior two seasons to shoehorn her into this command role. I can sort of accept that, but it’s all so haphazard and now this Picard/Crusher thing again makes it all feel like terrible soap opera. They really are gushing over it. The TVLine Performers of the Week: Patrick Stewart and Gates McFaddentvline.com/lists/patrick-stewart-gates-mcfadden-star-trek-picard-performance-season-3-episode-3/ Really, well, yes. I get it, it's a great scene with one caveat and it's a caveat that destroys the scene and we've already spoken about it here. If you were never a Trekkie and I sat you down and showed you that, you'd probably like the scene on its own merits. Because you didn't know them. I know them. I've known these people since, what, '87? These people are not those people. I desperately want someone to pull Picard aside and, "WTF happened to you, man? You were once a force of nature. I'd think that going golem took something out of you, but there was something missing before you did that." Look at Kirk? He was old. He was on the way out, too, but he never stopped being Kirk to service a weak story. McCoy needs. Spocks's freakin' GHOST needs and what's his response? "F--- everything. I'm stealing a ship and will nuke the rest of my life because those are my friends and I am the man that I am." A good story was written around a strong character that matches what has always been shown to us about that character. This Picard? One of my longtime criticisms of Voyager has been that Janeway, more often than not, was written to service the hour and not the hour written to service Janeway. One week she's all about the Prime Directive, the next week she's ready to violate the space of a sovereign power to shave a year off the trip, and how dare those bullies protect their borders. This is what's happened to Picard. He was deliberately hollowed out so that, from S2 onwards, he repeatedly grovels to get people to do what's right. This Picard exists to serve cheap melodrama like Crusher and that utterly ludicrous argument on the bridge about exactly who is in command and what to do. These people don't know how to ask WWJLPD and write to that. "I'm the writer and he'll do what I want." And that's just weak. ^ This.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 5, 2023 19:24:33 GMT
And, as we know, Matalas has hinted there’ll be some reference to that story in Picard S3. Can’t wait. There was a reason the TNG writing staff dropped the Picard/Crusher romance and ultimately dealt with it once and for all in the S7 episode Attached. The reason is that utter lack of chemistry or inherent believability (that we all see!), so to resurrect it as a central plank of your character interaction now because you need a “next generation” character is possibly the most contrived thing this series has yet achieved. To me, it seems like folly, but people out there in Internetland are lapping it up. Talking contrivances - what else is Trek? - I think that’s my big problem. TNG originally ran more on ideas, and it was Michael Piller who shifted the focus to character, relying on the essential chemistry of the actors. The characters aren’t that much more than a collection of traits, all bound together by their adventuring, but now they’re being treated with the deep focus of prestige drama and it doesn’t really work. Well, I think Chabon made it almost work in S1, and I could accept that Seven’s innate sense of morality had set her on a path that took her to the Fenris Rangers given that the Federation had abdicated any such role in the galaxy. But in S2 and S3 Picard’s a totally different man from what he once was, bereft of any ability for command or any moral authority. They’ve even thrown away most of Seven’s character development of the prior two seasons to shoehorn her into this command role. I can sort of accept that, but it’s all so haphazard and now this Picard/Crusher thing again makes it all feel like terrible soap opera. They really are gushing over it. The TVLine Performers of the Week: Patrick Stewart and Gates McFaddentvline.com/lists/patrick-stewart-gates-mcfadden-star-trek-picard-performance-season-3-episode-3/ Really, well, yes. I get it, it's a great scene with one caveat and it's a caveat that destroys the scene and we've already spoken about it here. If you were never a Trekkie and I sat you down and showed you that, you'd probably like the scene on its own merits. Because you didn't know them. I know them. I've known these people since, what, '87? These people are not those people. I desperately want someone to pull Picard aside and, "WTF happened to you, man? You were once a force of nature. I'd think that going golem took something out of you, but there was something missing before you did that." Look at Kirk? He was old. He was on the way out, too, but he never stopped being Kirk to service a weak story. McCoy needs. Spocks's freakin' GHOST needs and what's his response? "F--- everything. I'm stealing a ship and will nuke the rest of my life because those are my friends and I am the man that I am." A good story was written around a strong character that matches what has always been shown to us about that character. This Picard? One of my longtime criticisms of Voyager has been that Janeway, more often than not, was written to service the hour and not the hour written to service Janeway. One week she's all about the Prime Directive, the next week she's ready to violate the space of a sovereign power to shave a year off the trip, and how dare those bullies protect their borders. This is what's happened to Picard. He was deliberately hollowed out so that, from S2 onwards, he repeatedly grovels to get people to do what's right. This Picard exists to serve cheap melodrama like Crusher and that utterly ludicrous argument on the bridge about exactly who is in command and what to do. These people don't know how to ask WWJLPD and write to that. "I'm the writer and he'll do what I want." And that's just weak. This is great, Prom. I just wished I know what WWJLPD means and I'm afraid to ask, I don't want to broke any etiquette rule. 😄 |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 5, 2023 20:25:21 GMT
They really are gushing over it. The TVLine Performers of the Week: Patrick Stewart and Gates McFaddentvline.com/lists/patrick-stewart-gates-mcfadden-star-trek-picard-performance-season-3-episode-3/ Really, well, yes. I get it, it's a great scene with one caveat and it's a caveat that destroys the scene and we've already spoken about it here. If you were never a Trekkie and I sat you down and showed you that, you'd probably like the scene on its own merits. Because you didn't know them. I know them. I've known these people since, what, '87? These people are not those people. I desperately want someone to pull Picard aside and, "WTF happened to you, man? You were once a force of nature. I'd think that going golem took something out of you, but there was something missing before you did that." Look at Kirk? He was old. He was on the way out, too, but he never stopped being Kirk to service a weak story. McCoy needs. Spocks's freakin' GHOST needs and what's his response? "F--- everything. I'm stealing a ship and will nuke the rest of my life because those are my friends and I am the man that I am." A good story was written around a strong character that matches what has always been shown to us about that character. This Picard? One of my longtime criticisms of Voyager has been that Janeway, more often than not, was written to service the hour and not the hour written to service Janeway. One week she's all about the Prime Directive, the next week she's ready to violate the space of a sovereign power to shave a year off the trip, and how dare those bullies protect their borders. This is what's happened to Picard. He was deliberately hollowed out so that, from S2 onwards, he repeatedly grovels to get people to do what's right. This Picard exists to serve cheap melodrama like Crusher and that utterly ludicrous argument on the bridge about exactly who is in command and what to do. These people don't know how to ask WWJLPD and write to that. "I'm the writer and he'll do what I want." And that's just weak. This is great, Prom. I just wished I know what WWJLPD means and I'm afraid to ask, I don't want to broke any etiquette rule. 😄 What Would Jean-Luc Picard Do.  |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 5, 2023 20:45:19 GMT
This is great, Prom. I just wished I know what WWJLPD means and I'm afraid to ask, I don't want to broke any etiquette rule. 😄 It's riffing off from WWJD(What Would Jesus Do). |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 7, 2023 19:23:32 GMT
Listen, after all the grievances are aired I must be honest with myself and admit that the episode wasn't completely bad and was the best of the season so far. Which is more than can be say from S2 that went downhill after ep.2. Worf subplot is somewhat engaging and the space chase and battle was competently render. (On Greatest Trek podcast I heard the hypothesis that the Shrike deflector bottom greatly resembles the Enterprise D, could Shrike be made of parts of other ships including Starfleets?)... Since Picard (the character) is effectively dead because there's no way around that accidental fatherhood thing (and, yes, we should mourn that), shouldn't we shift attention to other elements of the plot that might be salvage? If they somehow manage to bridge TNG and DS9 through a Dominion thread they will get my attention. It might even be too fan servicey to CGIed Odo into existence but in my humble opinion it would serve René's memory well.
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I am so sorry...