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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 18, 2023 23:14:47 GMT
I hope that the whispers that have dropped are accurate. I hope the crew has some fun and adventure this year.
I don't even care if the galaxy is at stake, just powerwash the doom off of everything for once and have a good time.
Certainly more optimistic about it than Picard Season 3.
Not a high bar, I concede.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 18, 2023 23:55:42 GMT
Well...depends on the writers and producers idea of "Fun". I want more of Tilly in the Captain's chair telling off aliens and letting her inner bad-ssery come out. Actually I want someone on the other side be like "Attempting to arm weapons we will-destroy-" and Tilly just interupts and says "FIRE ALL WEAPONS, BRING US ABOUT AND FIRE AGAIN, AND ONCE THEY ARE DESTROYED, DESTROY THEIR DEBRIS!!!"
...I like Tilly
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 20, 2023 18:47:39 GMT
I know I'll watch when it comes on, but four seasons of hoping that Discovery will make me feel something other than "That was quite good," or "That was frustratingly inept," mean that I have very low expectations. Still, it has got vaguely better over the years, so it's an upward trend I suppose.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 20, 2023 19:05:00 GMT
I know I'll watch when it comes on, but four seasons of hoping that Discovery will make me feel something other than "That was quite good," or "That was frustratingly inept," mean that I have very low expectations. Still, it has got vaguely better over the years, so it's an upward trend I suppose. I admit that a couple of those clips flashed me back to Picard's dune buggy. LOL. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 20, 2023 21:49:33 GMT
I know I'll watch when it comes on, but four seasons of hoping that Discovery will make me feel something other than "That was quite good," or "That was frustratingly inept," mean that I have very low expectations. Still, it has got vaguely better over the years, so it's an upward trend I suppose. I admit that a couple of those clips flashed me back to Picard's dune buggy. LOL. We all know that was the best scene in the whole movie...::snicker:: Also, I think season 2 was the best that Discovery has gotten. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 20, 2023 22:29:05 GMT
I admit that a couple of those clips flashed me back to Picard's dune buggy. LOL. We all know that was the best scene in the whole movie...::snicker:: Also, I think season 2 was the best that Discovery has gotten. Well, yes. Agreed. Problem with THAT is that it's largely because Burnham was kicked off the bridge in favor of Pike. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 21, 2023 0:52:46 GMT
I think if they ditch the soap opera dynamic then it will be better. I get tired of the 'serious emotional' conversation between two characters that doesn't amount to anything in the story. It just fills time.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 21, 2023 2:03:38 GMT
I think if they ditch the soap opera dynamic then it will be better. I get tired of the 'serious emotional' conversation between two characters that doesn't amount to anything in the story. It just fills time. Yeah, forced drama I call it. A reason to shake the camera without a space battle. I miss steady cameras... |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jan 21, 2023 13:14:09 GMT
I am hopeful but just a tiny bit.
They tap into something really good with the last three episodes of season 4th. Sciency, speculative, thoughtful. Keep that format, forget the need to have some kind of season long villain and concentrate on character interaction.
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 21, 2023 23:08:19 GMT
Yeah, the Pike-centric S2 was enjoyable enough despite those really dopey overstuffed final episodes. Some of early S3 was OK, and S4 felt like an honorable effort that ultimately was a bit yawnsome. I appreciated the attempt to create truly alien encounters, although I think their grasp exceeded their reach. I don't think what they were attempting fueled the drama too well. However, I think I'd rather have a noble failure like S4 than anything like the overwrought S1 again.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jan 22, 2023 5:36:03 GMT
I know I'll watch when it comes on, but four seasons of hoping that Discovery will make me feel something other than "That was quite good," or "That was frustratingly inept," mean that I have very low expectations. Still, it has got vaguely better over the years, so it's an upward trend I suppose. "Vaguely better" more or less sums up my feelings about DSC from S2 onward. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 22, 2023 21:17:15 GMT
Anything is better than season 1 of Discovery... except seasons 1&2 of Picard.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jan 25, 2023 1:46:54 GMT
Anything is better than season 1 of Discovery... except seasons 1&2 of Picard. I actually liked much of PIC season 1, though I might've ditched much of the extraneous Romulan subplot and the incestuous siblings; they were gross. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 25, 2023 3:42:32 GMT
Anything is better than season 1 of Discovery... except seasons 1&2 of Picard. I actually liked much of PIC season 1, though I might've ditched much of the extraneous Romulan subplot and the incestuous siblings; they were gross. I might have been able to gloss over it if the reasons were interesting. Or they were. But neither. |
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Post by scenario on Jan 25, 2023 17:17:34 GMT
I like bits and pieces of all of it. Enough to keep me coming back. But overall the parts are greater than the whole.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 25, 2023 18:10:15 GMT
Basically where I've always been.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 25, 2023 21:09:05 GMT
I like bits and pieces of all of it. Enough to keep me coming back. But overall the parts are greater than the whole. That's exactly how I feel. Same with discovery seasons 3 and 4. I will rewatch awesome scenes over and over again, but never rewatch the entire episode |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 26, 2023 1:38:56 GMT
Anything is better than season 1 of Discovery... except seasons 1&2 of Picard. I actually liked much of PIC season 1, though I might've ditched much of the extraneous Romulan subplot and the incestuous siblings; they were gross. I can't remember where but someone made a comment about one of the nu-Trek shows trying to emulate GoT and your comment hit me that TPTB may have been going for a Jamie and Cersei Lannister idea with that Romulan brother and sister. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 26, 2023 21:34:43 GMT
I actually liked much of PIC season 1, though I might've ditched much of the extraneous Romulan subplot and the incestuous siblings; they were gross. I can't remember where but someone made a comment about one of the nu-Trek shows trying to emulate GoT and your comment hit me that TPTB may have been going for a Jamie and Cersei Lannister idea with that Romulan brother and sister. That was the exact thought I had. Which it seems a lot of shows are trying to take that shock and awe bandwagon. "Lets kill randomly important characters at a drop of a pin for no reason at all" "Hey i know what would shock viewers, Mother doing it with son who is doing it with dad who is doing it with daughter who is doing it with both sisters who are married-because we just can't make it shocking enough" Shock to cover up bad writing. What's really irritating also, the camera shaking for drama. You have to get the camera to let you know something is dramatic in case you didn't know. Now I'm starting to understand Roddenberry's reasoning for no human intercharacter conflicts. He saw this coming. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 2, 2023 22:23:35 GMT
Just seen this - from Darren Scott, editor of SFX magazine. Twitter
More at EW.com |
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Post by scenario on Mar 2, 2023 22:57:07 GMT
I always assumed they'd get 7 seasons. They'll probably have a decent season.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 3, 2023 5:10:23 GMT
I hope they just have a good time and it shows in the show.
There are aspects of the show that I've even though the sum of the parts has been underwhelming throughout 4 seasons. But, unlike Picard and the weak, "greatest hits and Easter egg" hodgepodge that it's been, at least DSC has tried new things each season.
I'd rather have a band try and fail than a bunch of people put together a cover band because they don't want to take any risks at all.
I hope that the trailers are indicative of the season and they just have some full-on fun with it.
SNW will continue and I expect Prodigy will as well. LD is sort of a question mark because they have enough episodes to archive on P+, but I think it still goes for another season or two.
I expect there actually will be another live action show, and it's most likely Starfleet Academy.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 3, 2023 5:42:35 GMT
According to Variety: “The ending of Discovery comes as Paramount looks to continue building on the success of the “Star Trek” franchise while also coming to grips with the financial realities of the streaming era, as most major media companies have announced plans to slash content spending in the years going forward.”
Seems very likely they're diverting funds to horses more likely to win streaming races: SNW, some ongoing legacy show spun off from Picard. Maybe the Academy thing, the idea of which fills me with inertia. Prodigy and LD are less costly, so maybe there'll be more seasons and it's a way to keep the brand alive.
If it was me and I had to sacrifice one of them, I'd sh!tcan LD immediately, and divert all that money to developing Prodigy. But of the live action shows, Discovery is the obvious one to go. For all its experimentation and a certain devotion from corners of fandom, it's never been a widescale critical success. I find I admire it for trying, in the absence of any experimentation at all from Picard, but maybe in all that trial and error (and there was more error than success) lay the seeds of its downfall.
People will flock to the tried-and-tested. Picard features legacy characters, so does SNW. Disco tried to lock that in by being a prequel originally, but then with the temporal relocation to the far future, it's far more reliant on just being space opera. And being experimental space opera at a time when everyone is cutting costs just looks like less of a sure thing in comparison to all its stablemates.
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 3, 2023 7:50:03 GMT
I am glad to hear this is going away. Hopefully all these resources go to SNW especially since Picard wraps up as well. I tend to think that TPTB realized that SNW hits all the appropriate Trek buttons well. That's the series that seems to have overall backing by fans.
If I recall correctly there are currently 5 different Trek series going on. That's just too much. It's like the lessons of the late 90's just went over Paramount's head. One live action show at a time. SNW is it. Sure have some other stuff in development but things that are lower budget. I don't know how that would work but I'm sure they can figure it out. SNW is now the 'flagship' series. Prodigy is fantastic. Keep that up too. Honestly that's enough going on.
They're getting themselves into trouble with the 'car company' approach(entry level Civic, middle income sedan Accord, family size Passport, etc...). They can't have all these different series for different demographics. It's too fragmented and it costs money and resources(writing staff, production, effects, etc...).
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 3, 2023 15:18:20 GMT
According to Variety: “The ending of Discovery comes as Paramount looks to continue building on the success of the “Star Trek” franchise while also coming to grips with the financial realities of the streaming era, as most major media companies have announced plans to slash content spending in the years going forward.”Seems very likely they're diverting funds to horses more likely to win streaming races: SNW, some ongoing legacy show spun off from Picard. Maybe the Academy thing, the idea of with fills me with inertia. Prodigy and LD are less costly, so maybe there'll be more seasons and it's a way to keep the brand alive. If it was me and I had to sacrifice one of them, I'd sh!tcan LD immediately, and divert all that money to developing Prodigy. But of the live action shows, Discovery is the obvious one to go. For all its experimentation and a certain devotion from corners of fandom, it's never been a widescale critical success. I find I admire it for trying, in the absence of any experimentation at all from Picard, but maybe in all that trial and error (and there was more error than success) lay the seeds of its downfall. People will flock to the tried-and-tested. Picard features legacy characters, so does SNW. Disco tried to lock that in by being a prequel originally, but then with the temporal relocation to the far future, it's far more reliant on just being space opera. And being experimental space opera at a time when everyone is cutting costs just looks like less of a sure thing in comparison to all its stablemates. I just have one request of DSC S5; can it be standalone stories? I love DSC's characters, even if the writing has been something of a mess, and I'd love to see those characters going on one-off missions every week, à la SNW. Sure, there can (and should) be continuing threads, but fresh stories every week would be a nice, fun way to end the show... on a high note, for a change. No more sulking, sad tales of woe, trauma, healing, therapy etc. (yes, those things are very important, but we don't need to have them reiterated every single week, do we?) Is it wrong for me to want a Star Trek DSC season that is both thought-provoking AND fun? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 3, 2023 15:20:38 GMT
According to Variety: “The ending of Discovery comes as Paramount looks to continue building on the success of the “Star Trek” franchise while also coming to grips with the financial realities of the streaming era, as most major media companies have announced plans to slash content spending in the years going forward.”Seems very likely they're diverting funds to horses more likely to win streaming races: SNW, some ongoing legacy show spun off from Picard. Maybe the Academy thing, the idea of with fills me with inertia. Prodigy and LD are less costly, so maybe there'll be more seasons and it's a way to keep the brand alive. If it was me and I had to sacrifice one of them, I'd sh!tcan LD immediately, and divert all that money to developing Prodigy. But of the live action shows, Discovery is the obvious one to go. For all its experimentation and a certain devotion from corners of fandom, it's never been a widescale critical success. I find I admire it for trying, in the absence of any experimentation at all from Picard, but maybe in all that trial and error (and there was more error than success) lay the seeds of its downfall. People will flock to the tried-and-tested. Picard features legacy characters, so does SNW. Disco tried to lock that in by being a prequel originally, but then with the temporal relocation to the far future, it's far more reliant on just being space opera. And being experimental space opera at a time when everyone is cutting costs just looks like less of a sure thing in comparison to all its stablemates. I liked parts of DSC and will miss those parts greatly even if the sum disappointed me. Even if DSC had been a wild success, we're looking at S5 in the streaming era. That's a long and successful run, DSC was always going to go in part because it was never, ever, social media "buzzy" the way LD or PRO is. Absolutely agree about Lower Decks. Have I mentioned before the degree to which I hate that show? I may have. At the end of the day, (and I may absolutely be proven wrong in this aspect) but I think this is going to shake out to two live-action shows and one animated for the year so they can limit subscriber churn withe the fanbase because most of that fanbase will watch Star Trek: Boise Idaho Recruiting Office even if they hate-watch it and that's no small amount of cash. But this year-round content with overlapping shows is officially over. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 3, 2023 15:25:26 GMT
According to Variety: “The ending of Discovery comes as Paramount looks to continue building on the success of the “Star Trek” franchise while also coming to grips with the financial realities of the streaming era, as most major media companies have announced plans to slash content spending in the years going forward.”Seems very likely they're diverting funds to horses more likely to win streaming races: SNW, some ongoing legacy show spun off from Picard. Maybe the Academy thing, the idea of with fills me with inertia. Prodigy and LD are less costly, so maybe there'll be more seasons and it's a way to keep the brand alive. If it was me and I had to sacrifice one of them, I'd sh!tcan LD immediately, and divert all that money to developing Prodigy. But of the live action shows, Discovery is the obvious one to go. For all its experimentation and a certain devotion from corners of fandom, it's never been a widescale critical success. I find I admire it for trying, in the absence of any experimentation at all from Picard, but maybe in all that trial and error (and there was more error than success) lay the seeds of its downfall. People will flock to the tried-and-tested. Picard features legacy characters, so does SNW. Disco tried to lock that in by being a prequel originally, but then with the temporal relocation to the far future, it's far more reliant on just being space opera. And being experimental space opera at a time when everyone is cutting costs just looks like less of a sure thing in comparison to all its stablemates. I just have one request of DSC S5; can it be standalone stories? I love DSC's characters, even if the writing has been something of a mess, and I'd love to see those characters going on one-off missions every week, à la SNW. Sure, there can (and should) be continuing threads, but fresh stories every week would be a nice, fun way to end the show... on a high note, for a change. No more sulking, sad tales of woe, trauma, healing, therapy etc. (yes, those things are very important, but we don't need to have them reiterated every single week, do we?) Is it wrong for me to want a Star Trek DSC season that is both thought-provoking AND fun? At this point, I don't even care if they just stick with the arcs they have always done. I don't even care if the galaxy is at stake (sigh, again) just have unabashed, gleeful FUN saving it. Stop with the endless depression, anxiety, and sadness, and just have a great adventure. You're doing things that even in your time people dream of being you and doing. Act like you like it. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 3, 2023 17:36:05 GMT
I find myself in the minority, I guess. I really like the last three episodes of last season, I think it was DSC best and one of the best first contact story in the whole of Trek. I can only hope they go similar way for the final season. A fun adventure stressing the science aspects of Star Trek.
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 3, 2023 17:50:46 GMT
No more sulking, sad tales of woe, trauma, healing, therapy etc. (yes, those things are very important, but we don't need to have them reiterated every single week, do we?) Is it wrong for me to want a Star Trek DSC season that is both thought-provoking AND fun? You know, your comment gave me the thought that this nuTrek is like the Star Trek version of grunge/alternative back in the early 90's. Think 'misery loves company'. There are groups of people that enjoy/get off on this type of misery porn. I suppose it does reveal that many parts of our society feel psychologically impinged. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 3, 2023 19:02:35 GMT
Different people like different things. I like dark stories. I don't like unrelenting dark stories as much.
I liked the last three stories as well. But they felt like a near miss to greatness to me.
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I am so sorry...