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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 10, 2023 17:18:14 GMT
Here.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 10, 2023 18:43:17 GMT
"Vox" means voice in Latin.
Maybe an entity from Fluidic Space will go back to Daystrom and steal Kirk's body. And used it to transmit it's voice through Kirk's mouth as the first Trek case of interdimensional ventriloquism. 🙃
I am so sorry. This show brings the cinic in me.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 10, 2023 19:12:40 GMT
"Vox" means voice in Latin. Maybe an entity from Fluidic Space will go back to Daystrom and steal Kirk's body. And used it to transmit it's voice through Kirk's mouth as the first Trek case of interdimensional ventriloquism. 🙃 I am so sorry. This show brings the cinic in me. Wouldnt. Shock me. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 12, 2023 20:46:58 GMT
I watched both sneak peaks. HUGE SPOILER:: Jack wants to know what Troi Saw.....in both clips....in 2 different scenes...both are Jack yelling "WHAT DID YOU SEE?" or "WHAT DID SHE SEE?" "WHAT WAS IT" ARRRGGHHHH KHAAAANNN...oh my god, What if its Khan? No no nonononononnonono, They would totally pull that shiii-eh-stuff. SHAKAREEEDAMMIT!!! wait....thats it...IT SHAKAREEE!!!! SHAKAREE HAS POSESSED JACK AND HAS BREACHED THE BARRIER AND HAS CONSPIRED WITH ROGUE CHANGELINGS TO.....to.....ok, let my check what CHATGPT says and I'll get back to you...
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 12, 2023 22:55:43 GMT
I watched both sneak peaks. HUGE SPOILER:: Jack wants to know what Troi Saw.....in both clips....in 2 different scenes...both are Jack yelling "WHAT DID YOU SEE?" or "WHAT DID SHE SEE?" "WHAT WAS IT" ARRRGGHHHH KHAAAANNN...oh my god, What if its Khan? No no nonononononnonono, They would totally pull that shiii-eh-stuff. SHAKAREEEDAMMIT!!! wait....thats it...IT SHAKAREEE!!!! SHAKAREE HAS POSESSED JACK AND HAS BREACHED THE BARRIER AND HAS CONSPIRED WITH ROGUE CHANGELINGS TO.....to.....ok, let my check what CHATGPT says and I'll get back to you... Picard jr. has more patience than I do. After everything I'd been through up to that point, if it were me there's no flipping way she's getting out of that room without telling me what the hell she saw. I'm not waiting another second. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 13, 2023 5:27:35 GMT
Its probably Dukatamojin... because God forbid Sisko have any badassery. No, TNG crew must tie up already tied ends cause reasons. Season 4 would have seen the TNG crew get Voyager more home. Season 5 would have seen crew go back in time and help Enterprise NX-01 crew get more faith of the heart...then come back with Shran who gets involved with Brunt and Weyoun 10 to re-animate creatures From Beyond. (see what i did there!)
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 13, 2023 11:54:24 GMT
Its probably Dukatamojin... because God forbid Sisko have any badassery. No, TNG crew must tie up already tied ends cause reasons. Season 4 would have seen the TNG crew get Voyager more home. Season 5 would have seen crew go back in time and help Enterprise NX-01 crew get more faith of the heart...then come back with Shran who gets involved with Brunt and Weyoun 10 to re-animate creatures From Beyond. (see what i did there!)  For the ultimate Reunification of those woefully separated cousins Kelvin and Prime in the brain of the Spockverse. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 13, 2023 14:07:16 GMT
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Ok, they got to me this time. This show just want to toy your mind around as if it were some rag to clean a pervasive mess; but watching that D reanimating was just... I don't know, it really pushed my buttons the right way. It was a memorable sequence, and it also felt genuine and not gratuitous, it sprout from the story naturally. I think it was the only adequate use of nostalgia porn of the whole season.
The technobabble was fun also. It was used as a desperate patching-up of plot holes and we can see through it; but the truth is it was a good use of a callback and it rang true to those episode when Geordi and Data wrestle about with some science absurdity. And yet it felt crammed, stuffed, as if the writers were explaining away some half-cook notions.
And they killed maybe the best character of "Picard"... Shame on them.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 13, 2023 14:40:35 GMT
For all its emphasis on nostalgia and callbacks, "Picard" misses the point of what it is to remember a beloved cultural artifact as TNG. It is not about the characters (though good character building is one of it's main tools), it is not about cool props and ships (though I have a couple of ships on my desk right now). It is about an idea fueling the movement of the story. Star Trek is better when it succeed in engaging your mind on current social, science or speculative issues. Adventure and space chase are awesome and they might drive the plot to some extent, but what make Trek (and TNG) Trek is the possibility to expand your mind. "Picard" fails to bring back the spirit that gave us so many past and great episode; they mistook the surface of the ocean for it's depth.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 13, 2023 15:27:05 GMT
For all its emphasis on nostalgia and callbacks, "Picard" missed the point of what it is to remember a beloved cultural artifact as TNG. It is not about the characters (though good character building is one of it's main tools), it is not about cool props and ships (though I have a couple of ships on my desk right now). It is about an idea fueling the movement of the story. Star Trek is better when it succeed in engaging your mind on current social, science or speculative issues. Adventure and space chase are awesome and they might drive the plot to some extent, but what make Trek (and TNG) Trek is the possibility to expand your mind. "Picard" fails to bring back the spirit that gave us so many past and great episode; they mistook the surface of the ocean for it's depth. This is correct. It's really just aping TNG in a lot of ways and has since the beginning and, maybe that's what Star Trek is morphing into now, a straight action-adventure thing that doesn't really care about doing anything more meaningful beyond that. I have to admit that I didn't actually despise this one in spite of the fact that I find the absolutely incessant use of Easter eggs and callbacks insipid, but because I found the explanation of Picard's Irumodic Syndrome and the use of the transporters to implant the Borg code easily actually the most clever thing this show has managed to do. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 13, 2023 16:20:44 GMT
SPOILERS BELOW:::
Ummm....didt Prodigy not just have a fleet out of control thing? Just sayin. Stop linking crap together Starfleet!!!
Also, EVEN THE D is too damned dark. The bridge doesn't look right because its lighting SUCKS. IF you wanted to go dark with that bridge, the GENERATIONS bridge (Which is by far superior) would have been the one to go with, otherwise you need to light the crap out of that thing.
and...did they just kill Shelby?
Also, this celebration bs....wtf? Lets gather a huge amount of Starships around earth for some E3 conference. And again did I hear dialogue mentioning this was every Starfleet vessel......ummmm.....there were way more ships than this in each battle of the Dominion War.....just sayin.
also....WHAT DID WORF DO TO THE ENTERPRISE-E?!!!Also I'm with Worf, I prefer the E.
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 13, 2023 17:11:14 GMT
they mistook the surface of the ocean for it's depth. You're a better writer right there than the people they have on staff at these shows. You're absolutely correct....BUT there's a reason for it. Our society has become insta-gratification. Those memberberries gives us dopamine hits similar to when our smartphone dings, whistles, etc...It's exciting for half a second and it's gone but then we need more to sustain that feeling of gratification. This season of Picard feels like what I imagine a visual drug might be like. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 13, 2023 17:33:12 GMT
This episode ought to be subtitled Star Trek Picard: Cocoon. LOL!!!
Overall this ep was miles better than the rest. Why? It has less of the dramatic moments, less "let's talk about how you feel about this". It still highlights how one ep covered what would have been a normal amount of storyline that the previous 8 didn't.
It still is full of memberberries that I'm sure some fans will happily gobble up but I find it rather cheap. It was nice to see the good ol' Enterprise and an explanation of what happened to the saucer section. That made sense. But I laughed when Picard said 'Lights'. I'm like, "Nah....nuTrek can't have proper lighting". LOL.
Some thoughts:
-Star Trek rarely does humour well imo but this ep had two lines I actually did laugh: Data's 'optimistic' comment and Picard's carpet comment. Loved it.
-No suprise Shaw died. He was the longest running redshirt to date. I kinda wished he would have made it. Kill off Raffi. Or even Seven. And how predictable that he would call Seven by the name she prefers with his dying breath. Something more interesting and dramatic could have played out had he lived. We could have seen how he dealt with the return of the Borg considering how emotionally compromised he was about them.
-I couldn't believe they brought back Shelby just to have her killed right off the bat. Awful. She should have been brought in earlier. Maybe even take Raffi's place. Especially considering that they're facing the Borg.
-On to the actual plot: I thought it was clever to use Picard's illness as a misdiagnosed Borg virus. Even more so when they acknowledged Picard could hear the Borg as we saw in First Contact. It does feel, as others have said, that they rammed through this really quickly so you didn't have time to figure out if it makes sense or not.
This may have gone by too quickly but I didn't understand correctly if it is that the Borg and the Changelings are now allies. I'm not sure why or how this would happen. If anything Species 8472 seems to be more of a natural ally. Both powerful enemies that seem to have the Federation as a common foe. Species 8472 also have shapeshifting abilities. Seven is there to be that point of continuation between Voyager and Picard. I suppose it wouldn't have mattered anyway the way these folks have handled this story anyway.
-In the end, Vadic didn't matter. Just filler.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 13, 2023 19:06:41 GMT
This episode ought to be subtitled Star Trek Picard: Cocoon. LOL!!! Overall this ep was miles better than the rest. Why? It has less of the dramatic moments, less "let's talk about how you feel about this". It still highlights how one ep covered what would have been a normal amount of storyline that the previous 8 didn't. It still is full of memberberries that I'm sure some fans will happily gobble up but I find it rather cheap. It was nice to see the good ol' Enterprise and an explanation of what happened to the saucer section. That made sense. But I laughed when Picard said 'Lights'. I'm like, "Nah....nuTrek can't have proper lighting". LOL. Some thoughts: -Star Trek rarely does humour well imo but this ep had two lines I actually did laugh: Data's 'optimistic' comment and Picard's carpet comment. Loved it. -No suprise Shaw died. He was the longest running redshirt to date. I kinda wished he would have made it. Kill off Raffi. Or even Seven. And how predictable that he would call Seven by the name she prefers with his dying breath. Something more interesting and dramatic could have played out had he lived. We could have seen how he dealt with the return of the Borg considering how emotionally compromised he was about them. -I couldn't believe they brought back Shelby just to have her killed right off the bat. Awful. She should have been brought in earlier. Maybe even take Raffi's place. Especially considering that they're facing the Borg. -On to the actual plot: I thought it was clever to use Picard's illness as a misdiagnosed Borg virus. Even more so when they acknowledged Picard could hear the Borg as we saw in First Contact. It does feel, as others have said, that they rammed through this really quickly so you didn't have time to figure out if it makes sense or not. This may have gone by too quickly but I didn't understand correctly if it is that the Borg and the Changelings are now allies. I'm not sure why or how this would happen. If anything Species 8472 seems to be more of a natural ally. Both powerful enemies that seem to have the Federation as a common foe. Species 8472 also have shapeshifting abilities. Seven is there to be that point of continuation between Voyager and Picard. I suppose it wouldn't have mattered anyway the way these folks have handled this story anyway. -In the end, Vadic didn't matter. Just filler. I have a VERY hard time believing that Shelby, probably the Federation's greatest not-once-assimilated expert on the Borg. This woman would know the dangers of networked intelligence, if for no other reason than it can be hacked.... ...just like it was hacked, and the fleet almost taken over... ...last season... ...BY THE BORG. If that's not a, "Let's put the brakes on this idea," moment, then, quite frankly, maybe the Federation deserves to lose. As to the Borg and the Changelings, I think the implication was supposed to be that they were only allied with the tortured ones. But that doesn't quite make sense either with the dude on Matalas who was a standard model. But, don't think about it too much because Vadic and the whole Changeling plotline has been officially forgotten and was only ever in there to be a mindless red herring for the Borg. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 13, 2023 20:06:05 GMT
Well, this ended up being dumber fanfic than I expected, even at this point. Random notes: -Borg and Changelings, because of course they want revenge together. I was already dead tired of the Borg, so it was great to see them yet again with another half-baked assimilation plan of Earth, the most important place ever. -Jack. Dude, wtf? -Besides the idiocy of having the whole fleet (or most of it as it was stated in dialogue) in one place, it actually seems to be a pretty small fleet! -Also, that fleet-hacking thing makes no sense in light of the whole Star Trek history. -Those damn kids, getting Borgified and all! What a badly directed/acted sequence, BTW.
-Speaking of the DNA code in transporters thing. Nobody noticed anything on any ship? A selected number of Changellings went on EVERY ship in Starfleet, probably ususally killing a crewmember in the process in order to take their form and it went smoothy, not leaving any trace anywhere, including in the systems, that could be located by any security check? And if we go back, I could ask the same about Daystrom Station and all these changelings that disappeared... -So, there's absolutely nobody in the Fleet Museum that could help? Why is every location empty (Daystrom was the same)? Guess all Starfleet ships will be as well now... -Is the D fully automated? And so is the Spacedock museum? -The D sequence is supposed to tug at my heartstrings, but it comes way too late and it fell flat. Too bad because it's actually nice to have Data and the whole crew back. -The whole Shrike/Vadic thing, as pointed by others, was useless. The Borg could have simply guided Jack to the realization the way Troi and Picard did, so that he'd get to them by his own means. On that note, it seems like Jack should only be able to control people under 25, but at least one of the two Starfleet security officers (the Plastic Trill one) looked a bit older, didn't he?
As others have mentioned, this show really feels like it's written by AI. I've come out of this one groaningly annoyed.
Man, I'm tired of being a Trek fan.
To finish on a good note, I still always watch until the end of the animated credits sequence because it's a beautiful one, and the FC main theme remains great.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 13, 2023 21:41:43 GMT
MORE SPOILERS!!!!
This show has went out of its way to kill off all guest stars and recurring guest stars from legacy series. Maddox, Hugh, Icheb, Ro, Shelby. I'd imagine Leah Brahms would be in there somewhere. Lets kill off Barcly while we're at it. We don't need no Dwight Shultz. Lets kill O'brien...I don't care if he was a DS9 cast member, he was a guest star on TNG, so he has to die. Ooohh and Keiko, lets kill her too. Lets kill off Gowron!!! Wait? What? He's already dead? Well Kill him again!!! Kill Martok too. I know he wasnt on TNG, but niether was Icheb, kill him too. Lets kill Shran....in fact kill all the JEffrey Combs characters, because thats what we do, we kill off characters.
Also, doesn't anyone care about the Legacy of the USS Syracuse...I mean, that does seem disrespectful to the crew of the Syracuse.
Also...where's the good borg go from last season? Ain't they gonna help?
You can tell this is A.I. writing because its so g-damned stupid. Yes its nice they brought Data back, its nice to see them using the D, but for the love of batman, everything about this dang show SUCKS.
BTW, we know Earth makes it through this because THIRTY SECOND FREAKING CENTURY, THANKS A FREAKING LOT DISCOVERY FOR SPOILING THE FREAKING ENDING TO EVERYTHING TREK FROM NOW ON!
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Post by scenario on Apr 13, 2023 23:52:17 GMT
I liked it. It was most definitely turn off your brain TV. Decent twist that filled about 5% of the plot holes. Its like watching fireworks and going ooh aah.
Generational warfare. Everyone under 25 absorbed by technology. Old farts are the heroes. (Dig on cell phones?)
Ro refused to use transporters but she didn't say why.
This would be an alright 3 parter. This was part 2. The first 8 eps were episode 1 with a lot of padding.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2023 0:16:00 GMT
MORE SPOILERS!!!! This show has went out of its way to kill off all guest stars and recurring guest stars from legacy series. Maddox, Hugh, Icheb, Ro, Shelby. I'd imagine Leah Brahms would be in there somewhere. Lets kill off Barcly while we're at it. We don't need no Dwight Shultz. Lets kill O'brien...I don't care if he was a DS9 cast member, he was a guest star on TNG, so he has to die. Ooohh and Keiko, lets kill her too. Lets kill off Gowron!!! Wait? What? He's already dead? Well Kill him again!!! Kill Martok too. I know he wasnt on TNG, but niether was Icheb, kill him too. Lets kill Shran....in fact kill all the JEffrey Combs characters, because thats what we do, we kill off characters. Also, doesn't anyone care about the Legacy of the USS Syracuse...I mean, that does seem disrespectful to the crew of the Syracuse. Also...where's the good borg go from last season? Ain't they gonna help? You can tell this is A.I. writing because its so g-damned stupid. Yes its nice they brought Data back, its nice to see them using the D, but for the love of batman, everything about this dang show SUCKS. BTW, we know Earth makes it through this because THIRTY SECOND FREAKING CENTURY, THANKS A FREAKING LOT DISCOVERY FOR SPOILING THE FREAKING ENDING TO EVERYTHING TREK FROM NOW ON! Edit: Let's be brutally fair here, there was already zero doubt that Earth was going to survive. That said, how cheap is this whole thing, amidst all the "Ooh and ahh", and "I wept at the sight of the D," someone asked, "But why were Jack's eyes red?" Because these people choose not to write, were hell bent on dragging out the dead horse that is the Borg, and if Jack's eyes were fluorescent green, you'd have known it was the Borg weeks ago. Red eyes? Changelings? It was all nonsense. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 14, 2023 0:26:20 GMT
I found the explanation of Picard's Irumodic Syndrome and the use of the transporters to implant the Borg code easily actually the most clever thing this show has managed to do. Yes. I agree, it was very clever. The evolution of the Borg as a biological or organic machine seems logical. Like the Cylons on BG, whereas on BG the artificial lifeforms adapted to flesh clones to just be better at eliminating humans, here the Borg incorporated organic tech to better assimilate the bodies of humanoids into the collective. It is a good idea. And as scenario mentions above, it gives more resonance to Ro's reluctance to use transporter. The problem remains with the script, too many suspensions of disbelief, too many things depends on mysteries. It might work on other franchises, but on Trek it seems manipulative, off-putting, closer to a paranormal show than to science fiction. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 14, 2023 0:28:54 GMT
So what are we to make of Vadic's talking hand? Are they just gonna leave that hanging? Our imagination should fill the gap, I guess.
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Post by scenario on Apr 14, 2023 0:44:13 GMT
Why did they need Jack? He wasn't even there.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2023 0:45:32 GMT
So what are we to make of Vadic's talking hand? Are they just gonna leave that hanging? Our imagination should fill the gap, I guess. I really doubt they will ever mention how that worked. |
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Post by scenario on Apr 14, 2023 0:47:43 GMT
So what are we to make of Vadic's talking hand? Are they just gonna leave that hanging? Our imagination should fill the gap, I guess. I really doubt they will ever mention how that worked. Or who she was talking to. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 14, 2023 2:39:03 GMT
Watched "Vox" this morning.
The show is basically an hour of fanboy service every week; it shouldn't even bother with plot, story or anything else at this point.
This season has been a collection of parts from Star Trek's past.
Jack's "big reveal" was pretty much what I expected; something to do with the damn Borg, because Khan-wannabes and the Borg are all this series seems to know. The series has devolved into one of either two templates: "The Wrath of Khan" and/or "First Contact," oscillating between both.
The ending of this latest episode only served to remind me how much I miss the show that was, and how much I don't like the show that is.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2023 3:53:41 GMT
Watched "Vox" this morning. The show is basically an hour of fanboy service every week; it shouldn't even bother with plot, story or anything else at this point. This season has been a collection of parts from Star Trek's past. Jack's "big reveal" was pretty much what I expected; something to do with the damn Borg, because Khan-wannabes and the Borg are all this series seems to know. The series has devolved into one of either two templates: "The Wrath of Khan" and/or "First Contact," oscillating between both. The ending of this latest episode only served to remind me how much I miss the show that was, and how much I don't like the show that is. All these moments...I mean, my heart still swells a bit when Kirk's shuttle is just about to swing around the spacedock and there's that crescendo. Then again when a different shuttle bypasses the Excelsior and there's the A. Because I'm connected to the crew and feel their feelings and the film already feels cohesive so I feel like I'm feeling their feelings with them.. Picard, S3. The story is so simple, yet it's broken and nonsensical. These people rarely behave like the people I knew 30 years ago, so, in a real way, I don't feel like these busted replicants should have the connection to these things they pretend to, so I can't feel it with them. So these callbacks just make me shrug more often than not. It feels like someone just shows me a nice CGI of the D. Kinda, "Eh." If that makes sense. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Apr 14, 2023 11:26:19 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the Syracuse was obliterated if the Stardrive or enough of the stardrive was available to salvage for the D's saucer. When you have a ship that can decouple like that, where does the line between which part of the ship still makes it that ship? Main computer core is in the saucer...*shrugs* Just having a ship style brain crisis this morning lol
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 14, 2023 13:34:42 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the Syracuse was obliterated if the Stardrive or enough of the stardrive was available to salvage for the D's saucer. When you have a ship that can decouple like that, where does the line between which part of the ship still makes it that ship? Main computer core is in the saucer...*shrugs* Just having a ship style brain crisis this morning lol
In the ship of Theseus thought experiment, I stand on the side of "it's still the ship it's named for even if all parts have bee replaced", the same way the E, D, C, B and A also pursue the original(s) legacy. On the other side, a ship that is being sold and renamed loses the previous name's legacy (but that's my opinion).
Too bad for the Syracuse, though.
On a totally different subject: How did the folks at TrekBBS receive the last instalment? With the usual unfettered enthusiasm or does it seem to feel a bit much for some? I mean, the Borg/Changeling turned an already fanfic-ish Picard into the worst of the Strange New World (The amateur writer anthology) novellas for me, but I'm curious on how it's perceived on the side of the most devout.
I would check myself, but I'm not going through a 47 pages episode thread. Just asking in case someone has already done so.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2023 14:01:43 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the Syracuse was obliterated if the Stardrive or enough of the stardrive was available to salvage for the D's saucer. When you have a ship that can decouple like that, where does the line between which part of the ship still makes it that ship? Main computer core is in the saucer...*shrugs* Just having a ship style brain crisis this morning lol I agree with Tup, but if I really have to make a decision on which physical part matters more, I would say it would be the saucer because that's where probably 90% of the ship's LIFE happens. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2023 14:18:49 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the Syracuse was obliterated if the Stardrive or enough of the stardrive was available to salvage for the D's saucer. When you have a ship that can decouple like that, where does the line between which part of the ship still makes it that ship? Main computer core is in the saucer...*shrugs* Just having a ship style brain crisis this morning lol In the ship of Theseus thought experiment, I stand on the side of "it's still the ship it's named for even if all parts have bee replaced", the same way the E, D, C, B and A also pursue the original(s) legacy. On the other side, a ship that is being sold and renamed loses the previous name's legacy (but that's my opinion).
Too bad for the Syracuse, though. On a totally different subject: How did the folks at TrekBBS receive the last instalment? With the usual unfettered enthusiasm or does it seem to feel a bit much for some? I mean, the Borg/Changeling turned an already fanfic-ish Picard into the worst of the Strange New World (The amateur writer anthology) novellas for me, but I'm curious on how it's perceived on the side of the most devout. I would check myself, but I'm not going through a 47 pages episode thread. Just asking in case someone has already done so.
After a quick perusal, it seems to be: - Loved the episode. - As painfully sick of the Borg as everyone else, and people seem to be willing to be more vocal when it comes to flaws in the ep and the season. - A weirdly large number of people seem fixated Picard and Bev flying off into the sunset together. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 14, 2023 14:30:28 GMT
In the ship of Theseus thought experiment, I stand on the side of "it's still the ship it's named for even if all parts have bee replaced", the same way the E, D, C, B and A also pursue the original(s) legacy. On the other side, a ship that is being sold and renamed loses the previous name's legacy (but that's my opinion).
Too bad for the Syracuse, though. On a totally different subject: How did the folks at TrekBBS receive the last instalment? With the usual unfettered enthusiasm or does it seem to feel a bit much for some? I mean, the Borg/Changeling turned an already fanfic-ish Picard into the worst of the Strange New World (The amateur writer anthology) novellas for me, but I'm curious on how it's perceived on the side of the most devout. I would check myself, but I'm not going through a 47 pages episode thread. Just asking in case someone has already done so.
After a quick perusal, it seems to be: - Loved the episode. - As painfully sick of the Borg as everyone else, and people seem to be willing to be more vocal when it comes to flaws in the ep and the season. - A weirdly large number of people seem fixated Picard and Bev flying off into the sunset together. Thanks Prom, much appreciated!
Glad that there seems to be some kind of realization on the flaws. Honestly, given the number of nostalgia elements driving this season, I wouldn't be surprised if many fans who loved the season at first would be actually downgrading their appreciation - to various degrees - after a second viewing.
That show just doesn't make sense beyond the instant dopamine gratification, as nombrecomun mentioned.
As for the shippers, well it's always been a part of fandom I didn't connect as much with, so I won't judge. But seriously, there's absolutely no chemistry (and that's not new) between McFadden/Crusher and Stewart/Picard. There are certainly better relationships to cheer for in Trek.
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For the ultimate Reunification of those woefully separated cousins Kelvin and Prime in the brain of the Spockverse. 
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT