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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 3, 2023 19:10:36 GMT
Here.
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 5, 2023 13:21:33 GMT
I might indeed surrender... any remaining interest in Picard. Just from what I've heard, it feels like this one might be be even more depressing than the last one.
I'm watching for completion's sake by now, and if I'm still committed to SNW's next season, I'm not sure I will even give the next new series a try.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 5, 2023 14:13:15 GMT
That clip does just scream, "Watch me be brutal."
As if we didn't know that about her already. The point needs to be driven home with a shotgun to the temple.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 5, 2023 22:09:35 GMT
This is not the crap that Star Trek is known for showing. LETS BE BRUTAL BECAUSE VILLIAN. Lts listen to people scream horribly as they are massacred..... yes F*K THIS S+T. I'll probably be done after this episode. Man....I really miss episodes of Star Trek New Voyages....F*K CBS too! The worst fanfilms were better than this garbage.
(Yeah yeah I know, I'm being very negative, but Picard is making me this way. It just gets worse and worse and all the Trekcultures and Nerdotics and everyone else is praising the snot out of this. They apparently have no concept or grasp of what star trek is. )
....please hurry back SNW, and no more Xenogorns!!!
....wish there were more episode of The Orville....
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 5, 2023 22:25:58 GMT
This is not the crap that Star Trek is known for showing. LETS BE BRUTAL BECAUSE VILLIAN. Lts listen to people scream horribly as they are massacred..... yes F*K THIS S+T. I'll probably be done after this episode. Man....I really miss episodes of Star Trek New Voyages....F*K CBS too! The worst fanfilms were better than this garbage. (Yeah yeah I know, I'm being very negative, but Picard is making me this way. It just gets worse and worse and all the Trekcultures and Nerdotics and everyone else is praising the snot out of this. They apparently have no concept or grasp of what star trek is. ) ....please hurry back SNW, and no more Xenogorns!!! ....wish there were more episode of The Orville.... Oh, we're at 8, so I'm going to ride it out. But the insanity is not the show, as insanely bad as it is, it's the fact that the majority of the people watching it act like Matalas is the best thing to happen to Trek since Roddenberry. WTActualF? |
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 6, 2023 13:38:52 GMT
I'm at 17:30 mark. I'm honestly thinking about stopping there. It's not even hate-watching, it's more like depressed-watching and it's clearly not how I want to be "entertained".
Here's the least vulgar way I can express the feeling I had when I paused the show to come here to comment:
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Post by ashleytinger on Apr 6, 2023 14:06:45 GMT
I admit I may have fist pumped the air at a few points in this episode. It was better than last week which was apparently all setup for this episode's pay offs. And we finally have the TNG crew all together. Only took 8 episodes  I think Trek works better with character ongoing storylines and planet of the week tied through it like SNW. Just more my speed. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 6, 2023 15:38:54 GMT
Well, it ended way better than it started for me, so that's...something. But dear Lawd it has taken forever getting to this point and I have yet to see a story that couldn't have been told in 4 episodes. 5 tops. It has sloogged along, wallowing in Easter eggs, darkness, and unnecessary mystery.
At least it's FINALLY starting to draw to a close.
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Post by BeastBoy on Apr 6, 2023 15:41:28 GMT
What I think about that:
Star Trek Picard is much better than Discovery, but I still don't understand why the changelings are back if Dominion War has been over?
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 6, 2023 15:41:34 GMT
Why is Raffi fighting 4 alien dudes with swords? How is that now an option when half a dozen unarmed (Also: why? It's red alert!) Starfleet officers where running from gun-toting tugs? While we're at it, how did Worf get on the shrike, except as an excuse for a little Klingon music-cued heroic moment? Adding pissed Data having his "cool" speech, and changelings who can't survive in space anymore (Infant changelings such as Odo were found in space and fellow foundling Laas could easily mimic space-faring creatures, but I guess the "evolved" changelings lost that ability for ice-breaking purposes) to the mix of things that are just there for fans to fist pump after the preceding low points. But they got so low that the payoffs just don't pay anymore, at least for me. The show just feels bankrupt: Story-wise, character-wise, morally-wise, even. Guess I'll watch it 'till the better end, though.
p.s.: Why is everyone wearing a leather uniform/vest?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 6, 2023 16:58:23 GMT
Why is Raffi fighting 4 alien dudes with swords? How is that now an option when half a dozen unarmed (Also: why?) Starfleet officers where running from gun-toting tugs? While we're at it, how did Worf get on the shrike, except as an excuse for a little Klingon music-cued heroic moment? Adding pissed Data having his "cool" speech, and changelings who can't survive in space anymore (Infant changelings such as Odo were found in space and fellow foundling Laas could easily mimic space-faring creatures, but I guess the "evolved" changelings lost that ability for ice-breaking purposes) to the mix of things that are just there for fans to fist pump after the preceding low points. But they got so low that the payoffs just don't pay anymore, at least for me. The show just feels bankrupt: Story-wise, character-wise, morally-wise, even. Guess I'll watch it 'till the better end, though. p.s.: Why is everyone wearing a leather uniform/vest?
I will say that maybe being seni-monoform does limit the forms they can shift into. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 6, 2023 18:13:54 GMT
How many times does Data have to die and brought back to life? Why this show seems to relied too much on this moments of "revitalizations"? If we were to judge only by "Picard", has Star Trek become zombified? There are no actual walking deads going around, but the characters life to a great extent is just barely there, constantly being pulled by invisible strings, threading the dubious needle of a mystery, like zombies they wander around looking for purpose but never actually reaching it. I am so sorry, but Riker's and Troi chemistry was just not there, the humor felt off-key, their sudden rejection of their life on Nephente sounded cheap. The script is manipulative, and it saddens me because I was ALSO glad and happy to see Data and Geordi having their conversations, those must dearest of friends!! That friendship was so vital back in the day, so important to me. And this DO TAKE me there and yet it doesn't... "Picard" is broken because it reaches into your soul, rips your love for these people from it and hands you back a caricature.
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Post by ashleytinger on Apr 6, 2023 18:20:12 GMT
What I think about that: Star Trek Picard is much better than Discovery, but I still don't understand why the changelings are back if Dominion War has been over? They're a specific division or group of changelings that aren't necessarily part of the main whole. They were experimented on by Section 31 and are fighting their own little war it seems. They've not shown anything that says it's the whole Dominion or even all of the Changelings/Founders. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 6, 2023 18:23:24 GMT
It really is a slog watching this ep and really all of Picard and Discovery. For this ep, I looked at the timer when Jack made it to the bridge. Thirty minutes had passed. All that happened to that point could have been told in 10. Maybe a little less. So much of these conversations are filler. This 'season' should have been 5 eps. I don't care about quantity. I want quality. I understand the new way of doing these things is about how many you can make to keep people paying for the longest until the next series pops up.
Well...to the ep itself:
-I liked the 'confrontation' between Data and Lore. And of course we could see the trojan horse thing a mile away but it was nice. Fingers crossed this is the last we'll see of that.
-The moments between Geordi and Data at the end, the scene in which he uses a contraction, was sweet. That was a nice moment.
-The conference room at the end where they're all sitting together. Nostalgic. Worf's line was funny but continues to remind me that this show or even modern Trek is made for a different audience, one that grew up with addiction and mental health issues as casual. This concept of 'passive/aggressive' is a very Western 20th century thing. I just can't see this, addiction, and so many other things happening several hundred years in a Star Trek future. In The Expanse, Firefly, and others yes. This is not Star Trek.
-I'm glad, and I hope, we've seen the last of Vadic. She was amusing for 2 minutes and then the mustachioed-twirling thing got old. Real fast. Ultimately did very little to add to/advance the story.
Two more to go....which really means 20 minutes of actual content.
And I just don't want to hear 'imzadi' again. So overused. It has no meaning anymore.
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 6, 2023 18:31:48 GMT
Adding pissed Data having his "cool" speech, and changelings who can't survive in space anymore (Infant changelings such as Odo were found in space and fellow foundling Laas could easily mimic space-faring creatures, but I guess the "evolved" changelings lost that ability for ice-breaking purposes) to the mix of things that are just there for fans to fist pump after the preceding low points. Yeah...it's done for those cheap moments. Maybe it is Star Trek for NFL fans. Someone correct me about Vadic, I'm assuming that whatever experiments done to them changed their physicality. But it really doesn't matter. Poor storytelling is the reason. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Apr 6, 2023 19:05:32 GMT
I was pretty sure only a few could survive in space without some protection. Odo was having issues doing it and one of the others had experimented with it and was better suited to doing it.
Or am I remembering that wrong?
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 6, 2023 22:37:10 GMT
I was pretty sure only a few could survive in space without some protection. Odo was having issues doing it and one of the others had experimented with it and was better suited to doing it. Or am I remembering that wrong? I can't remember Odo being in space or attempting to but that other changeling had about 100 year more on Odo so maybe he had learned how to do that. He also morphed into a being that can live in space. No matter which we go with it it's still poor writing(inconsistent). |
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Post by ashleytinger on Apr 6, 2023 22:40:40 GMT
It's Star Trek. Inconsistency is one of their consistencies |
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Post by scenario on Apr 7, 2023 0:05:38 GMT
It was a slog until the end. The end had a few moments here and there that felt like ST.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 7, 2023 0:32:11 GMT
Well, it ended way better than it started for me, so that's...something. But dear Lawd it has taken forever getting to this point and I have yet to see a story that couldn't have been told in 4 episodes. 5 tops. It has sloogged along, wallowing in Easter eggs, darkness, and unnecessary mystery. At least it's FINALLY starting to draw to a close. There were a few moments, yes, but those were largely just the nods to TNG nostalgia; they felt nice, if terribly contrived. But I still had zero f**ks to give for Shaw, Vadic or pretty much anything else going on. I'm watching to finish the season, that's about it. I get very little joy from Picard. |
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Post by scenario on Apr 7, 2023 1:00:58 GMT
Two points.
They actually listened to Deanna. The script gave her something to do. In NG, they would have ignored her. "Captain, I sense deception." "Shut up Troi."
Point 2.
The ship will be destroyed in an hour.
TOS: Fire photon torpedoes.
NG: Everyone gather in my ready room to discuss options.
Pic: Everyone talk about emotions and their regrets in life using up 55 minutes of the hour then fix it in the last five minutes.
When NG was first on, some TOS fans hated it for too much talking and not enough action. To me Picard has lots of meaningless action and too much talking about emotions in a crisis instead of trying to solve the problem.
There could be a comedy skit. Captain Kirk is in trouble. There's a countdown going on, 59,58,57... Spock sits down with McCoy and has a deep conversation about something that happened to him as a child. When the countdown gets to 15 they suddenly remember there's a problem and fix it.
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Post by RobinBland on Apr 7, 2023 3:58:49 GMT
In my headcanon, Picard seasons 2 and 3 are the dying dreams of Picard’s old human body as his consciousness is transferred to the positronic golem body. Illogical waking hallucinations taking place in the transference between flesh and the first breath of the new host. Meaningless interstitials as consciousness jumps from the old to the new.
Hence all the warm nostalgia and lack of credible human behavior and any storytelling logic.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 7, 2023 13:14:54 GMT
In my headcanon, Picard seasons 2 and 3 are the dying dreams of Picard’s old human body as his consciousness is transferred to the positronic golem body. Illogical waking hallucinations taking place in the transference between flesh and the first breath of the new host. Meaningless interstitials as consciousness jumps from the old to the new. Hence all the warm nostalgia and lack of credible human behavior and any storytelling logic.  Consider your head canon stolen...  |
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Post by BeastBoy on Apr 7, 2023 13:58:06 GMT
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 7, 2023 14:06:21 GMT
In my headcanon, Picard seasons 2 and 3 are the dying dreams of Picard’s old human body as his consciousness is transferred to the positronic golem body. Illogical waking hallucinations taking place in the transference between flesh and the first breath of the new host. Meaningless interstitials as consciousness jumps from the old to the new. Hence all the warm nostalgia and lack of credible human behavior and any storytelling logic. This should be expanded on the Trek novelverse so that it becomes an alternate canon for those of us who refuse to accept Matalas butchering. |
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Post by Yorick on Apr 7, 2023 21:37:18 GMT
It’s written by writers who drink too much memberberry juice. I think we await another generation of creators who live in a future time when they can (and are allowed to be) be bold and original and entertaining. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 7, 2023 22:58:00 GMT
It’s written by writers who drink too much memberberry juice. I think we await another generation of creators who live in a future time when they can (and are allowed to be) be bold and original and entertaining. Wake me up when Season 4 of For All Mankind starts...
Good sci-fi still exists. And it still involves numerous Trek creatives. You just won't find it - and them - within Trek.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 7, 2023 23:01:54 GMT
So.............over/under on whether or not Jack is possessed by a pagh wraith?
It's dumb enough to be a thing here.
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 7, 2023 23:03:46 GMT
In my headcanon, Picard seasons 2 and 3 are the dying dreams of Picard’s old human body as his consciousness is transferred to the positronic golem body. Illogical waking hallucinations taking place in the transference between flesh and the first breath of the new host. Meaningless interstitials as consciousness jumps from the old to the new. Hence all the warm nostalgia and lack of credible human behavior and any storytelling logic. This should be expanded on the Trek novelverse so that it becomes an alternate canon for those of us who refuse to accept Matalas butchering. Well, didn't they also kind of destroy all hopes of that with that "Coda" trilogy (probably the most depressing idea I've ever read for a story-wrapping concept)? |
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 7, 2023 23:05:21 GMT
So.............over/under on whether or not Jack is possessed by a pagh wraith? It's dumb enough to be a thing here. As long as it's not the Guardian of Forever (AKA Carl), somewhat, given that everything's a door nowadays. But yeah, you might be on something. Might be a bit obscure for the New-TNG or TNG-only fan, though... |
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
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