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Post by RobinBland on Mar 18, 2023 22:00:15 GMT
I truly love how Ro was brought back. I do not think it should be examined only in relation to "Picard" because if we only use that criteria this iteration of Ro lose coherence. The strength of this character send-off is because it is NOT on a vacuum; if we only judge the merit of the sequence by how well or not-well it fit the present "Picard" narrative (a fluxx of character images that a poor script is failing to keep together), then the picture we get is yet another bit on a jumble of callbacks put together by a seemingly dilettante fanboy club with a good budget. "Picard's" Ro Laren is not that. In my humble opinion this is the only great thing the whole "Picard" series had given us.
The script was really tight around Ro, but what I think carried the whole thing home is Forbes thoughtful performance, the glances, the pain.
"Picard's" Ro Laren sequence is great because it is aimed at viewers with deep knowledge of TNG lore. Ro Laren is a woman with a profound sense of ethics that carried her Cardassian occupation psychological scars openly, for everyone to see them. This is present on this sequence without the need to be put into words: the camps, the Maquis, Picard, the conflict with Star Fleet ethos, the hard fought claim for survival...
I invite you all to read the up-to-date bio of Ro on Memory Alpha and then rewatch the episode. Keep in mind that Ro Laren was supposed to be the ORIGINAL "Nerys", DS9 writers came out with Kira when Forbes was unable to join the cast.
I am really invested with this character (and also with Kira and Odo, the Bajoran plight is personally engaging) and I think Ro appearance was not only for dramatic effect (though that is inevitable), it is not aimed at new Trek fans, it was a carefully thought nod to a beloved franchise. Whoa, I am not criticising Forbes' performance, nor Sir Pat's. Put them in a room, and sparks fly. They were superb. Even the words of the script itself were decent - it's obvious these writers have a deep love of the lore and the characters. However, these actors could make the most inert of paragraphs sing. Nor am I criticising the character, which I always loved (and perhaps that's a reason why this major turning point did not work for me). And yes, I am well aware of her place in the overall scheme of things regarding the out-of-universe history of DS9. I think I made it clear, but to rephrase - my issue is with the structure of the whole, not this single episode. I feel like Ro's reintroduction was a special thing, yes. However, it felt bungled to me - rushed and done with, in a single episode. No foreshadowing, no mining of Picard's pain on this issue beforehand (or even, say, losing Yar or more recently, Dahj, which, surely, are comparable heartbreak moments. There are many more). Just BAM!, there it is. It wasn't fumbled exactly - look at the way it's been greeted everywhere - but, to my mind, it adheres to "Scripting 101" techniques. It felt both a little cynical and was an opportunity squandered. I feel it could've been handled so much better. Which sketches in my issue with S2 and S3 generally. It's prestige drama, with a prestige budget, but it's structured and plays out like a bad comic book tie-in or, as Nombre put it, a game. It doesn't feel like a top-flight dramatic presentation, for all the bells and whistles they're hanging on it. I'm glad it worked for you. It didn't for me. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 18, 2023 22:06:16 GMT
LOL. It is NOT that. And, yes, they have transplanted characters 30 years into a narrative future as well and all I can see is how those two styles do not mesh.Also, can I just wonder out loud why the Changeling-infested Intrepid just let her cruise over and kamikaze the port nacelle? [Bolded] This, exactly. To be fair, I guess the Changeling bridge crew of the Intrepid thought the shuttle would blow up before it reached the nacelle. Even then, they should've shot it out of the sky, or Ro should've performed some evasive maneuvers to avoid getting phasered and/or plastered all over some suddenly activated defensive shields. (I guess a shuttle native to the Intrepid could get through those shields? I dunno.) |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 18, 2023 22:54:41 GMT
LOL. It is NOT that. And, yes, they have transplanted characters 30 years into a narrative future as well and all I can see is how those two styles do not mesh.Also, can I just wonder out loud why the Changeling-infested Intrepid just let her cruise over and kamikaze the port nacelle? [Bolded] This, exactly. To be fair, I guess the Changeling bridge crew of the Intrepid thought the shuttle would blow up before it reached the nacelle. Even then, they should've shot it out of the sky, or Ro should've performed some evasive maneuvers to avoid getting phasered and/or plastered all over some suddenly activated defensive shields. (I guess a shuttle native to the Intrepid could get through those shields? I dunno.) Hell, for a show all into winks, nods, and callbacks, I have no idea they didn't just cut to her saying, "Shields? Okay." or something while her fingers are dancing on the controls, then you see the shuttle cross through the shield bubble. It's not like she hasn't done literally that before. Would have given the nostalgia nuts something else to squee about. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 19, 2023 3:16:40 GMT
[Bolded] This, exactly. To be fair, I guess the Changeling bridge crew of the Intrepid thought the shuttle would blow up before it reached the nacelle. Even then, they should've shot it out of the sky, or Ro should've performed some evasive maneuvers to avoid getting phasered and/or plastered all over some suddenly activated defensive shields. (I guess a shuttle native to the Intrepid could get through those shields? I dunno.) Hell, for a show all into winks, nods, and callbacks, I have no idea they didn't just cut to her saying, "Shields? Okay." or something while her fingers are dancing on the controls, then you see the shuttle cross through the shield bubble. It's not like she hasn't done literally that before. Would have given the nostalgia nuts something else to squee about. Shapeshifters look and sound like the people they copy but do they have their knowledge? If too high a percentage of the crew are shapeshifters they might not know what to do. It could be like raw recruits who only look like seasoned crew actually running the ship. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 19, 2023 3:29:41 GMT
Hell, for a show all into winks, nods, and callbacks, I have no idea they didn't just cut to her saying, "Shields? Okay." or something while her fingers are dancing on the controls, then you see the shuttle cross through the shield bubble. It's not like she hasn't done literally that before. Would have given the nostalgia nuts something else to squee about. Shapeshifters look and sound like the people they copy but do they have their knowledge? If too high a percentage of the crew are shapeshifters they might not know what to do. It could be like raw recruits who only look like seasoned crew actually running the ship. If they are going to pose as people running the ship and then do things like take the ship from A to B, and/or be on a ship that has some "normies" on it, they would pretty much have to be versed in ship operation. And someone seemed to know how to arm, target, and fire torpedoes, which seems a smidge more complicated than raising the shields. Hell, by the 24th century, you can literally just tell the computer to do both. You don't have to know how. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 19, 2023 3:58:35 GMT
I realise I'm in the minority here though, as most Trek media is trumpeting this as one of the best seasons of Trek ever. (Not quite verbatim, but almost a quote.) I think there's a fair amount of self-congratulating with this season by the producers themselves. And, let's face it, there are plenty of fans of whatever franchise who are happy to eat chocolate covered shit. For some/many, all the callbacks, memory jogs, etc... are good enough and translates to a 'great show'. You can hear it in comments elsewhere. The ep was awesome because Ro was in it. Or it was great because Worf chopped off a defenseless Ferengi's head(ughhh). Or Brunt's name was on a list. And so on. I want something that makes sense. Not something that tugs at my emotional strings in a cheap manner. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 20, 2023 1:15:29 GMT
“Computer, locate Jack Crusher.” ”Jack Crusher is hiding in the locker room.” Ooops… "The thing everyone thinks is Jack Crusher..." At the moment, I'm beginning to harbor doubts that that's Picard's kid. Right now, I can't stop thinking of "The Man Trap." Maybe there was a Jack Crusher-Picard, but he's dead, and replaced so perfectly by Changeling Crusher that Bev just doesn't care. This would make her treatment of Picard here orders of magnitude more awful, but I wouldn't put it past her either. That's what I'm starting to think as well. Jack is probably a 'good' shapeshifter that killed Beverly's 'real' son, and became her Nancy Crater-son (see: TOS "Man Trap"); so much so that she's been protecting him from the rest of the Titan crew. If true, this would only give me yet another reason to dislike her character. And, a minority opinion, judging by Ye Olde Interwebs, but---- I still can't stand Capt. Shaw.Someone on Twitter compared him to Dr. McCoy, and to that I say a firm NO, added by a HELL NO. McCoy, despite his curmudgeonly nature, has a soft heart; he deeply loves Spock, like a brother, despite their bickering. Shaw is just a d!@k. Period. No, Shaw's not entirely wrong, but I can't see how such an angry man with so much obvious baggage can be given the keys to a Federation starship; a role that automatically makes him a Federation ambassador at-large. Shaw is NOT that guy, and I will die on that hill. I also agree with Sherlock; I hate seeing beloved characters like Ro come back only as cannon fodder for an episode or two (see: "Hugh" in season 1, but catch him quickly--he doesn't last). |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 20, 2023 1:22:02 GMT
I realise I'm in the minority here though, as most Trek media is trumpeting this as one of the best seasons of Trek ever. (Not quite verbatim, but almost a quote.) I think there's a fair amount of self-congratulating with this season by the producers themselves. And, let's face it, there are plenty of fans of whatever franchise who are happy to eat chocolate covered shit. For some/many, all the callbacks, memory jogs, etc... are good enough and translates to a 'great show'. You can hear it in comments elsewhere. The ep was awesome because Ro was in it. Or it was great because Worf chopped off a defenseless Ferengi's head(ughhh). Or Brunt's name was on a list. And so on. I want something that makes sense. Not something that tugs at my emotional strings in a cheap manner. ^ This. I'm feeling nothing from this season so far. Lots of callbacks, cameos, etc. but even GEN had more emotional fireworks for me than this too-dark reunion special. I'm watching it primarily because it has the Star Trek name, and little else. Of the five so far? The only one I really enjoyed was "No Win Scenario" because I thought it was a shift towards the Titan crew becoming a family, but "Imposters" pulled a shell game with that idea, and we're back to square one, with so-called "Captain" Shaw being nothing but an apathetic A-hole who turns on everybody the first chance he gets. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 20, 2023 3:47:49 GMT
I am still with my Jack Crusher/Nancy Crater idea, but it occurs to me that she may not know.
Because won't that be such a "beautiful" moment if they BOTH end up grieving him TOGETHER???
Won't that be so "clever" and "artful?"
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 20, 2023 18:17:52 GMT
I feel like Captain Shaw is a refugee character from some other show, not Star Trek. I enjoy the performance, because it's so at odds with everything Star Trek represents - if that makes sense. It's the one new thing here. He's almost a "Greek chorus," albeit with less subtlety. This doesn't necessarily make his inclusion good, now that I think about it, but it does have the effect of being entertaining in the moment.
As a whole, I think Nombre's description of "chocolate-covered shit" is the one that resonates with me most. On the outside, it looks good and it sure has the right consistency. Ultimately, it ain't what it purports to be, but by that time, you've probably swallowed it.
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Prior to Ep 3 airing, there was much conjecture as to the villains of this season and if they'd turn out to be the bugs from TNG S1's Conspiracy. Well, you just need to swap out the bugs for the Changelings, because so far this whole season has the exact same plot as that episode, except with all the layers of nostalgia and lore that have been built since that episode aired 35 years ago.
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 20, 2023 19:02:03 GMT
I feel like Captain Shaw is a refugee character from some other show, not Star Trek. I enjoy the performance, because it's so at odds with everything Star Trek represents - if that makes sense. It's the one new thing here. He's almost a "Greek chorus," albeit with less subtlety. This doesn't necessarily make his inclusion good, now that I think about it, but it does have the effect of being entertaining in the moment. I think that's why he resonates with a modern audience: he is entertaining for sure but he is anti-Trek. It kinda calls back to JJ's tagline of "This isn't your dad's Trek" and delivers a generic scifi show with Trek skin. He's abrasive. He has one-liners. GOLD Jerry. Gold!!! The issue is that he shouldn't be in Starfleet at all. Make him the bartender on the ship or better yet one of the disposable underground crime boss, like the Ferengi and the Vulcan(?), and that would make more sense with his attitude. The way he confronted Riker and Picard in the first scene smacks so much of JJ(again) in The Last Jedi's scene when Luke tosses his lightsaber over his shoulder. It's 'funny' but makes no sense. These are scenes included to ahem...'subvert expectations'. The character is cool. His role doesn't fit his character though. |
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Post by scenario on Mar 20, 2023 20:38:27 GMT
I feel like Captain Shaw is a refugee character from some other show, not Star Trek. I enjoy the performance, because it's so at odds with everything Star Trek represents - if that makes sense. It's the one new thing here. He's almost a "Greek chorus," albeit with less subtlety. This doesn't necessarily make his inclusion good, now that I think about it, but it does have the effect of being entertaining in the moment. As a whole, I think Nombre's description of "chocolate-covered shit" is the one that resonates with me most. On the outside, it looks good and it sure has the right consistency. Ultimately, it ain't what it purports to be, but by that time, you've probably swallowed it. ... Prior to Ep 3 airing, there was much conjecture as to the villains of this season and if they'd turn out to be the bugs from TNG S1's Conspiracy. Well, you just need to swap out the bugs for the Changelings, because so far this whole season has the exact same plot as that episode, except with all the layers of nostalgia and lore that have been built since that episode aired 35 years ago. Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 20, 2023 20:56:28 GMT
I feel like Captain Shaw is a refugee character from some other show, not Star Trek. I enjoy the performance, because it's so at odds with everything Star Trek represents - if that makes sense. It's the one new thing here. He's almost a "Greek chorus," albeit with less subtlety. This doesn't necessarily make his inclusion good, now that I think about it, but it does have the effect of being entertaining in the moment. As a whole, I think Nombre's description of "chocolate-covered shit" is the one that resonates with me most. On the outside, it looks good and it sure has the right consistency. Ultimately, it ain't what it purports to be, but by that time, you've probably swallowed it. ... Prior to Ep 3 airing, there was much conjecture as to the villains of this season and if they'd turn out to be the bugs from TNG S1's Conspiracy. Well, you just need to swap out the bugs for the Changelings, because so far this whole season has the exact same plot as that episode, except with all the layers of nostalgia and lore that have been built since that episode aired 35 years ago. Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. This makes sense to me. And I think I would give him a complete pass if he said, "You know what? I probably SHOULDN'T be a Captain, but I couldn't leave after Wolf 359. Starfleet needed every warm body it couldn't abandon it...I'd abandoned enough when I took seat #10 on that lifepod." "But, you know what, I'm a di--. I'm usually completely unbothered by that, and sometimes I even enjoy it. I'm a di-- and generally disliked by fellow officers and I'm probably too much of one to ever be more than what I am right here and right now. But I stay because, in spite of all that, every once in a while I feel like I can do some good." "Those times I can do that? Makes being Seat #10 bearable...like I wasn't just someone she...randomly pointed a finger at." |
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Post by scenario on Mar 20, 2023 21:19:25 GMT
Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. This makes sense to me. And I think I would give him a complete pass if he said, "You know what? I probably SHOULDN'T be a Captain, but I couldn't leave after Wolf 359. Starfleet needed every warm body it couldn't abandon it...I'd abandoned enough when I took seat #10 on that lifepod." "But, you know what, I'm a di--. I'm usually completely unbothered by that, and sometimes I even enjoy it. I'm a di-- and generally disliked by fellow officers and I'm probably too much of one to ever be more than what I am right here and right now. But I stay because, in spite of all that, every once in a while I feel like I can do some good." "Those times I can do that? Makes being Seat #10 bearable...like I wasn't just someone she...randomly pointed a finger at." Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 20, 2023 21:28:12 GMT
This makes sense to me. And I think I would give him a complete pass if he said, "You know what? I probably SHOULDN'T be a Captain, but I couldn't leave after Wolf 359. Starfleet needed every warm body it couldn't abandon it...I'd abandoned enough when I took seat #10 on that lifepod." "But, you know what, I'm a di--. I'm usually completely unbothered by that, and sometimes I even enjoy it. I'm a di-- and generally disliked by fellow officers and I'm probably too much of one to ever be more than what I am right here and right now. But I stay because, in spite of all that, every once in a while I feel like I can do some good." "Those times I can do that? Makes being Seat #10 bearable...like I wasn't just someone she...randomly pointed a finger at." Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. I think he's at least self-aware enough to know that he's not great. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 21, 2023 13:05:10 GMT
My objection to those who criticize this episode (here and elsewhere) is not grounded on they not appreciating Forbes acting, that is absurd, everyone is able to see that she poured herself to the character. My disagreement is with the position that the episode is non-sensical, callback fan servicy or "chocolate cover shit" as Nombre so colorfully put it. More precisely the whole of "Picard" is a big turd that suddenly and inadvertently rendered a gold nugget. People looking for sense are looking at the issue from the wrong angle, IMHO. It is not relevant how coherent or logical Ro appearance is on "Picard" because in my mind she does not "belong" here; this simply was a TNG episode, we just need a mental leap, a tweak of the imagination. Ro Laren have exactly 8 episodes on The Next Generation, this new episode is a continuation of that. "Imposters" (never have a tittle being more adequate!) is NOT "Picard" fifth ep of 3rd season, it is in fact TNG 9th and final episode on Ro Laren (that is my new head canon). Do that in your mind and watch how the pieces fall in place. There is a huge gap of course, a lot of inferences are being ask from us, and we can have that discussion, but Ro Laren lines (and Forbes delivery of them) were sharp enough to feed our hunger for speculation. And that is what Trek does best.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 21, 2023 13:09:56 GMT
Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. I think he's at least self-aware enough to know that he's not great. Yes. I do not think he is captain material. But he is a great character. Wait and see how Trek merch will capitalize on it! I anticipate a couple of tie-in novels, maybe by John Jackson Miller or Una McCormack. I might read them. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 21, 2023 13:19:09 GMT
Oh I can totally get why people might not like Shaw, and as presented, no, he's not great Captain material, but we're also not seeing him at his best, just a bit broken and ticked off. I'm betting we see more through the season. I do think he's a great character and the actor is doing an amazing job with the material. Re-watching the first episodes, knowing about Wolf 359 and what he went through, you can see the wheels churning behind the eyes and the character trying to work through what he's being blasted with in Picard.
That part was handled exceedingly well by the actor and I'm glad they let him know Shaw's backstory ahead of time to really add that to the first few episodes before the revelation in the holodeck.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Mar 21, 2023 14:38:09 GMT
I am still annoyed with Picard's reaction to Ro. This shows me that after the Dominion war, the Federation still hasn't learned how they really F'ed up when it comes to the Maquis. They ignored what was witnessed during the border wars (The Setnik 3 massacre) they ignored the crimes against...humanity....alienity...whatever during the Bajoran occupation, and it seems they totally ignored the stab in the back by the Cardassians during the Dominion war. The Federation is still in its ego minded dystopian thinking mindset that the Maquis were wrong? Ah yes any fight for freedom is wrong. Thats the takeaway a get from this stupid bullcrap. If there is anything that I hate about the Berman Era of Trek is this whole situation with the Maquis. I really want the federation to pay penance for what they did to the Maquis and how they have treated similar situations. Apparantly the Dominion war wasn't enough. The Federation was massively superior to the Cardassians during the time of the border wars, they should've committed their entire fleet to the border wars after the Setnik 3 massacre. All I get from the Federation is that it will allow atrocities go unpunished. I THOUGHT HUMANITY WAS PASSED THIS BY THE 24TH CENTURY.....obviously not. Lets allow the worst crimes in the history of the galaxy go unpunished because...false peace... God this makes me so damned angry. If I were a writer, I would write a story about how this mindset really comes to bite the Federation in the rear. - So back to what I said, after everything the Federation and Starfleet had been through with the Cardassians, Picard should have been more understanding of Ro. GOD I HATE THIS STUPID STORYLINE. From that episode "The Maquis pt. 1&2"(DS9) to "Journey's End" (TNG) to "Pre-emptive Strike" (TNG) to "For the Cause" (DS9) to "For The Uniform" (DS9) to "Blaze of Glory" (DS9). It may be my American (Ben Franklin's 'Don't Tread on Me' comes to mind) way of thinking, but I hate the whole thing. The Cardassians got away with so much appalling stuff thanks to the Federation. Cardassia got what it deserved, and I was thinking after the Dominion War, the Federation had too....but obviously not.
Also, Ro should've stuck around for a few episodes. And maybe just maybe, Picard admit that she may have been right.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 21, 2023 23:04:09 GMT
Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. ... Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. I like this. Although, giving him the Titan suggests someone at Starfleet thinks he's up to "going boldly" and exploring the final frontier. Isn't this new version of the ship supposed to be an exploration vessel? Imagine him meeting entities like the Melkotians for the first time...! |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 22, 2023 1:12:38 GMT
Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. ... Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. I like this. Although, giving him the Titan suggests someone at Starfleet thinks he's up to "going boldly" and exploring the final frontier. Isn't this new version of the ship supposed to be an exploration vessel? Imagine him meeting entities like the Melkotians for the first time...! You mean he would have followed the Starfleet edict of leaving civilizations alone that say they want to be left alone and most of the bridge crew wouldn't have almost died?  |
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Post by scenario on Mar 22, 2023 3:24:20 GMT
Captain Shaw would fit if he was the civilian advisor rather then Star Fleet. In my head canon he became an officer right after wolf359 when they were desperate. He's been doing milk runs with little responsibility since then. ... Sometimes people who are bad at the job think they're great. If you keep them in the right spot, they'll do okay. I like this. Although, giving him the Titan suggests someone at Starfleet thinks he's up to "going boldly" and exploring the final frontier. Isn't this new version of the ship supposed to be an exploration vessel? Imagine him meeting entities like the Melkotians for the first time...! He's a by the rules guy. If you find an alien civilization, don't interfere. HQ'll send a specialized contact team later. He got the job by a career of never taking chances. I wouldn't be surprised if his timid go by the book viewpoint is common. "Boldly go," led to a Borg attack and the Dominion War. The motto now is to timidly go where lots of people have gone before. Plus, Star Fleet is compromised. Give the best ships to the worst captains may be a strategy of the infiltrators. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 22, 2023 17:38:15 GMT
I like this. Although, giving him the Titan suggests someone at Starfleet thinks he's up to "going boldly" and exploring the final frontier. Isn't this new version of the ship supposed to be an exploration vessel? Imagine him meeting entities like the Melkotians for the first time...! He's a by the rules guy. If you find an alien civilization, don't interfere. HQ'll send a specialized contact team later. He got the job by a career of never taking chances. I wouldn't be surprised if his timid go by the book viewpoint is common. "Boldly go," led to a Borg attack and the Dominion War. The motto now is to timidly go where lots of people have gone before. Plus, Star Fleet is compromised. Give the best ships to the worst captains may be a strategy of the infiltrators.   B-b-but where's the optimistic future?! |
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Post by scenario on Mar 22, 2023 18:49:12 GMT
He's a by the rules guy. If you find an alien civilization, don't interfere. HQ'll send a specialized contact team later. He got the job by a career of never taking chances. I wouldn't be surprised if his timid go by the book viewpoint is common. "Boldly go," led to a Borg attack and the Dominion War. The motto now is to timidly go where lots of people have gone before. Plus, Star Fleet is compromised. Give the best ships to the worst captains may be a strategy of the infiltrators. B-b-but where's the optimistic future?! Still optimistic. Baby steps into the future. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 23, 2023 0:19:07 GMT
I am still with my Jack Crusher/Nancy Crater idea, but it occurs to me that she may not know. Because won't that be such a "beautiful" moment if they BOTH end up grieving him TOGETHER??? Won't that be so "clever" and "artful?" Yeah, that's exactly where I'm thinking it will go...  |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 23, 2023 0:20:35 GMT
I feel like Captain Shaw is a refugee character from some other show, not Star Trek. I enjoy the performance, because it's so at odds with everything Star Trek represents - if that makes sense. It's the one new thing here. He's almost a "Greek chorus," albeit with less subtlety. This doesn't necessarily make his inclusion good, now that I think about it, but it does have the effect of being entertaining in the moment. As a whole, I think Nombre's description of "chocolate-covered shit" is the one that resonates with me most. On the outside, it looks good and it sure has the right consistency. Ultimately, it ain't what it purports to be, but by that time, you've probably swallowed it. ... Prior to Ep 3 airing, there was much conjecture as to the villains of this season and if they'd turn out to be the bugs from TNG S1's Conspiracy. Well, you just need to swap out the bugs for the Changelings, because so far this whole season has the exact same plot as that episode, except with all the layers of nostalgia and lore that have been built since that episode aired 35 years ago. Agreed. As for Shaw? Yeah, "The Expanse" called... wants its character back. |
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