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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 20, 2023 18:24:21 GMT
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 23, 2023 14:30:08 GMT
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
That gave me nothing. Just a mild trill of seeing Worf sporting a white goatee. Plummer is enjoying playing Vadic, there's an air of educated malevolence on the character. Other than that, nothing. I think the show is already sliding into insignificance. A judge Trek episodes by how likely I would rewatch them, I don't see myself rewatching any "Picard".
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 23, 2023 16:31:05 GMT
And they manage another 48 minutes where nothing happens.
Amanda Plummer does her father proud when it comes to scenery-chewing, and she was the most enjoyable thing in it. And the space stuff is purdy.
Worf had that fight and killed their only lead. That's super convenient for the next 8 episodes.
No one PHYSICALLY searches prisoners anymore?
And a RETIRED Admiral, even Picard, can use rank he no longer has because, again, RETIRED, can seize command?
Wait, did I hear that correctly? Some weapon collapses a building and dumps that building over a CITY and ONLY 118 people die?
This thing is already limping for me.
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 23, 2023 19:56:49 GMT
nuTrek has mastered the art of spending a whole hour on stuff that could have been done in 30 minutes.
The single thing I could say positively about this show is that I now like Captain A-hole a lot. I was totally on his side. Weird.
There are too many things wrong with this ep to bother listing but the one that I would like to concentrate on is Seven. She shouldn't be in this season. It doesn't make sense at all that she would rise through the ranks this rapidly to be the Commander of any Federation starship. I don't know how much time has passed between seasons but it doesn't make sense.
Seven related, when she goes behind the captain's back she should have been escorted off the bridge right then and there at the end of ep 1 and confined to quarters. She shouldn't have still been on the bridge in this ep. Yes, that order does come halfway through this ep but then by the end it doesn't matter since she's walking around taking command even with the lame comment she makes about her position at the moment.
Rock music in Star Trek. Always out of place. The only time it worked...barely....was in First Contact.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 23, 2023 20:05:36 GMT
And they manage another 48 minutes where nothing happens. Amanda Plummer does her father proud when it comes to scenery-chewing, and she was the most enjoyable thing in it. And the space stuff is purdy. Worf had that fight and killed their only lead. That's super convenient for the next 8 episodes. No one PHYSICALLY searches prisoners anymore? And a RETIRED Admiral, even Picard, can use rank he no longer has because, again, RETIRED, can seize command? Wait, did I hear that correctly? Some weapon collapses a building and dumps that building over a CITY and ONLY 118 people die? This thing is already limping for me. Korath sums up my opinion of the episode right here:  The title, "Disengage" couldn't have been more apt, since that also describes my emotional distance to everything that was happening onscreen. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 23, 2023 20:22:34 GMT
nuTrek has mastered the art of spending a whole hour on stuff that could have been done in 30 minutes. The single thing I could say positively about this show is that I know like Captain A-hole a lot. I was totally on his side. Weird. There are too many things wrong with this ep to bother listing but the one that I would like to concentrate on is Seven. She shouldn't be in this season. It doesn't make sense at all that she would rise through the ranks this rapidly to be the Commander of any Federation starship. I don't know how much time has passed between seasons but it doesn't make sense. Seven related, when she goes behind the captain's back she should have been escorted off the bridge right then and there at the end of ep 1 and confined to quarters. She shouldn't have still been on the bridge in this ep. Yes, that order does come halfway through this ep but then by the end it doesn't matter since she's walking around taking command even with the lame comment she makes about her position at the moment. Rock music in Star Trek. Always out of place. The only time it worked...barely....was in First Contact. I don't like the way the guy approaches people, but he spent the whole hour NOT being wrong about anything. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 23, 2023 20:54:56 GMT
I'm just wondering how they explain, if they even bother, how the son has a British accent telegraphing a mile away that he is JLP's son. Is there a planet New Britain around? Was he raised by another person with a British accent? I didn't know accents were inherited!  This already raises some real sh*tty aspects for Crusher. I hope they do answer why she didn't tell him. It does seem like the baddies are interested in him particularly so there may be more about him that we don't know. Maybe he isn't JLP's son but for some reason Crusher is pinning it on him. No matter which way they go it makes a beloved character look terrible. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 23, 2023 21:04:45 GMT
I'm just wondering how they explain, if they even bother, how the son has a British accent telegraphing a mile away that he is JLP's son. Is there a planet New Britain around? Was he raised by another person with a British accent? I didn't know accents were inherited! This already raises some real sh*tty aspects for Crusher. I hope they do answer why she didn't tell him. It does seem like the baddies are interested in him particularly so there may be more about him that we don't know. Maybe he isn't JLP's son but for some reason Crusher is pinning it on him. No matter which way they go it makes a beloved character look terrible. Matalas says that the accent will be explained. Probably with the sane slapdash spackle that he's done everything else with. As for Crusher, I wouldn't be surprised if she's manipulating him. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 23, 2023 22:46:33 GMT
And a RETIRED Admiral, even Picard, can use rank he no longer has because, again, RETIRED, can seize command? Yes, very odd. I reasoned it thinking that the writers wanted to convey info ABOUT Shaw. After all the bluster from the first episode he's finally showing his true colors: he is a coward. Now that threat is real and the enemy appears focused on killing everyone, now he acknowledge Picard's rank. |
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Post by scenario on Feb 23, 2023 22:46:36 GMT
In todays world I don't like a plotline that relies on massive galaxywide conspiracies which can only be helped by terrorists. Our terrorists are the good guys and their terrorists are the bad guys.
And I also like the new captain.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 23, 2023 22:54:48 GMT
nuTrek has mastered the art of spending a whole hour on stuff that could have been done in 30 minutes. The single thing I could say positively about this show is that I now like Captain A-hole a lot. I was totally on his side. Weird. There are too many things wrong with this ep to bother listing but the one that I would like to concentrate on is Seven. She shouldn't be in this season. It doesn't make sense at all that she would rise through the ranks this rapidly to be the Commander of any Federation starship. I don't know how much time has passed between seasons but it doesn't make sense. Seven related, when she goes behind the captain's back she should have been escorted off the bridge right then and there at the end of ep 1 and confined to quarters. She shouldn't have still been on the bridge in this ep. Yes, that order does come halfway through this ep but then by the end it doesn't matter since she's walking around taking command even with the lame comment she makes about her position at the moment. Rock music in Star Trek. Always out of place. The only time it worked...barely....was in First Contact. Yes. Seven feels totally anachronistic and forced. An ex-Borg speed-climbing her way through the ranks? Really? I get it that she got a huge letter of recommendation from Janeway, but I still don't buy it. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 23, 2023 23:05:25 GMT
With regard to Picard "son" another thing that bothers me is age. Didn't they say that Crusher pretty much vanished 20 years ago? This "son" looks older, right?... Now that I think about it, couldn't they be trying to tied it to that period Crusher was away on TNG season 2? Maybe she and Picard have a farewell party then and she hide the results from him... I don't know. I still don't like this sort of tinkering with Trek past, is like playing with us.
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Post by scenario on Feb 23, 2023 23:57:46 GMT
Ed Speleers plays Picard's son. He's 34. Born in 1988. Season 2 started November 21, 1988. Did they ever explain in story, why Dr. Crusher went away for a year?
He's either he's another 34 year old freshman or he's a clone or a medical experiment or a love child or something. I'd bet some sort of illegal scientific experiment which they will spend an episode or two anguishing over and do nothing with.
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Post by scenario on Feb 24, 2023 0:31:41 GMT
This feels like it was written by chatGPT. Feed in every ST episode and movie. Give the computer a brief outline and let it write.
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Post by ashleytinger on Feb 24, 2023 1:28:28 GMT
I'm mildly enjoying the mystery and being involved with the TNG characters again. My last few weeks after vacation have been so terrible that this was a nice break. Tune in, tune out and enjoy
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 24, 2023 1:53:33 GMT
And a RETIRED Admiral, even Picard, can use rank he no longer has because, again, RETIRED, can seize command? Yes, very odd. I reasoned it thinking that the writers wanted to convey info ABOUT Shaw. After all the bluster from the first episode he's finally showing his true colors: he is a coward. Now that threat is real and the enemy appears focused on killing everyone, now he acknowledge Picard's rank. That's the thing though, he has no rank anymore. He's retired. I'd even give them: Picard: I'm invoking, Little-known, Seldom-used, Reserve Activation Clause 47, recalling MYSELF to active status and am assuming command of this ship. Shaw: You can't do that. Picard: Assuming we survive, you can take it up with Starfleet Command when we return to Federation space. Right now, though, it's DONE. But there's not even that. Picard just start barking orders, everyone follows them, and Shaw folds like a cheap suit. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 24, 2023 2:40:20 GMT
Yes, very odd. I reasoned it thinking that the writers wanted to convey info ABOUT Shaw. After all the bluster from the first episode he's finally showing his true colors: he is a coward. Now that threat is real and the enemy appears focused on killing everyone, now he acknowledge Picard's rank. That's the thing though, he has no rank anymore. He's retired. I'd even give them: Picard: I'm invoking, Little-known, Seldom-used, Reserve Activation Clause 47, recalling MYSELF to active status and am assuming command of this ship. Shaw: You can't do that. Picard: Assuming we survive, you can take it up with Starfleet Command when we return to Federation space. Right now, though, it's DONE. But there's not even that. Picard just start barking orders, everyone follows them, and Shaw folds like a cheap suit. Agree. This is how we know the script is weak. Or maybe down the line Shaw will turned out to be really cheap, like from the mirror universe, or deep undercover from Vadic people so he was being "tactically" cheap... Nah, I doubt it, Matalas and his writers took the easy way out, they just have a general idea and they make the parts fit as they go. Good story writing work the other way around, characters move the action and the plot is constantly changing as they move through it (my humble opinion).
I gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for a couple of more episodes. If they are like somehow echoing TNG S2, they might pulled some holodeck trips and give us some meat to bite into. This second episode was disappointing.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 24, 2023 2:56:29 GMT
I'm just wondering how they explain, if they even bother, how the son has a British accent telegraphing a mile away that he is JLP's son. Is there a planet New Britain around? Was he raised by another person with a British accent? I didn't know accents were inherited! This already raises some real sh*tty aspects for Crusher. I hope they do answer why she didn't tell him. It does seem like the baddies are interested in him particularly so there may be more about him that we don't know. Maybe he isn't JLP's son but for some reason Crusher is pinning it on him. No matter which way they go it makes a beloved character look terrible. Matalas says that the accent will be explained. Probably with the sane slapdash spackle that he's done everything else with. As for Crusher, I wouldn't be surprised if she's manipulating him. If they try to suggest that he got his accent from listening to his dad's logs, I'll be like...  I grew up with a father who had a very different accent from mine, yet we didn't sound anything alike. Re: the Titan-A's Captain A$$h@le: Yes, he's 'right' in the same way that other prissy regulations-only captains have been right (going by the book, at least), but of course he's morally wrong; and conceding to a terrorist's demand isn't cool under any circumstance. He's also derelict in his duties BIG time; is he EVER on the bridge?? He's always napping, eating, or somewhere else, except on his damn bridge. And whatever happened to captains "needing to project an image of geniality"? Remember those days? Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Picard's son being a criminal; didn't we already see this in TNG S7 with Picard's fake son ("Bloodlines")? Once again; this 'revelation' had no impact, because it was predictable and we've sort of seen it before. Amanda Plummer's Vadic is silly and boring. She's a combination of Nero and the Duras sisters ( keep waiting for her to rob the coffee shop with "Ringo"). EVERYTHING in this season seems to be borrowed or an homage from something else (usually something better). And would it kill them to turn up the lights a bit?? I can barely see a damn thing that's happening half of the time. This episode was so disappointing that I decided not to do a deep dive review of it on my blog; I might do a season end recap, but in the meantime, it's not worth the effort. Sorry to be so negative, but I'm getting exactly ZERO pleasure from this show. Season 2 was already a hot mess, and season 3 is shaping up to be marginally better at best. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 24, 2023 3:45:18 GMT
This feels like it was written by chatGPT. Feed in every ST episode and movie. Give the computer a brief outline and let it write. I would not be surprised. It feels exactly like that. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 24, 2023 4:45:10 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away.
Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze.
They went out of their way to kill the impact.
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 24, 2023 4:46:58 GMT
Oooooooof.
The bit where Worf appeared did raise a smile. (Like we didn't see it coming.) And I did like seeing a Ferengi* again. So that was about two minutes thirty seconds of fun.
I'll come back tomorrow if I find I can remember more good bits.
*Whose name was Sneed. Not Snead.
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Post by scenario on Feb 24, 2023 5:14:23 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze. They went out of their way to kill the impact. That scene felt like it was originally written for Elnor and they just changed to Worf at the last minute. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 24, 2023 5:24:58 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze. They went out of their way to kill the impact. Yep. To me it screamed, "stunt double"!!!! And fair enough. He's 70. But I wish they had found a better way to do that scene. And as to Raffi, I never cared for her drug addict persona. This is the future in which you would think medicine would be advanced enough to tackle such a problem. But I suppose it resonates strongly with a drug addled Western culture of today.  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 24, 2023 5:42:56 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze. They went out of their way to kill the impact. That scene felt like it was originally written for Elnor and they just changed to Worf at the last minute. Exactly like that. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 24, 2023 5:46:29 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze. They went out of their way to kill the impact. Yep. To me it screamed, "stunt double"!!!! And fair enough. He's 70. But I wish they had found a better way to do that scene. And as to Raffi, I never cared for her drug addict persona. This is the future in which you would think medicine would be advanced enough to tackle such a problem. But I suppose it resonates strongly with a drug addled Western culture of today. Yeah, even now there are dugs you can take the eliminate the "high" of narcotics. I imagine in that future, one single compound can do that and tweak your brain chemistry to completely eliminate the want. |
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Post by Tupperfan on Feb 24, 2023 6:04:20 GMT
I'm about halfway through it and I had no desire to keep going. I'll finish it, but it is, as others said, quite a disengaging start. Also, it just feels... extremely dumb. The characters are dumb, their actions are dumb (I mean, Riker and Picard's whole plan until now is just plain idiotic), the setup is dumb, the motivations are dumb, Vadic is some dumb guy's idea of a cunning, clever and affably evil foe. I even wonder why the heroes are supposed to be heroes, besides the plot telling us they are (Hence why so many people believe Captain Jerk has a point). But it's getting late so, good night! I believe it's night... in the WHOLE Sol system! |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 24, 2023 15:00:21 GMT
Vie said: Raffi's subplot. I'm bored with it. Even the revelation of you-know-who didn't help, because I saw it coming a light year away. Did you see it though?? Trekcore and BBS are all talking about what a badass moment it was. Sure. Might've been if you could see it. There are, like, three eyeblinks of moves that you can actually see, the rest of it's through Raffi's stoner, vapor-trail gaze. They went out of their way to kill the impact. Right? Three problems I have with Raffi's subplot (two that I will list here, anyway): First; wouldn't drug addiction be curable with a damn hypospray in the 24th century (see: TNG's "The Neutral Zone")? Second; we have a prominent Black woman in the cast and she's a weak-willed, relapsing drug addict....yeah, not cool, Matalas. Third; Worf's reveal was as surprising as a clock jumping from 7:59 to 8:00... |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 24, 2023 17:25:51 GMT
That's the thing though, he has no rank anymore. He's retired. I'd even give them: Picard: I'm invoking, Little-known, Seldom-used, Reserve Activation Clause 47, recalling MYSELF to active status and am assuming command of this ship. Shaw: You can't do that. Picard: Assuming we survive, you can take it up with Starfleet Command when we return to Federation space. Right now, though, it's DONE. But there's not even that. Picard just start barking orders, everyone follows them, and Shaw folds like a cheap suit. Agree. This is how we know the script is weak. Or maybe down the line Shaw will turned out to be really cheap, like from the mirror universe, or deep undercover from Vadic people so he was being "tactically" cheap... Nah, I doubt it, Matalas and his writers took the easy way out, they just have a general idea and they make the parts fit as they go. Good story writing work the other way around, characters move the action and the plot is constantly changing as they move through it (my humble opinion).
I gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for a couple of more episodes. If they are like somehow echoing TNG S2, they might pulled some holodeck trips and give us some meat to bite into. This second episode was disappointing.
WOW, 45 MINUTES FOR 15 MINUTES OF PLOT!!!! WHAT AN ACHEIVMENT!!!! I AM SO EXCITED THAT I AM SHOUTING ABOUT IT. OH MY GARSH!!!! ...actually no, I feel like my mindistalkingtomeinamonotone'BenStein'voicebecausethisepisodewasmostlyboring. And Oh my god....seriously, the tired old hidden son cliché. I'm hoping this is some alien's bad joke of a plot of mixing Picard and Crusher's DNA. I rather it be a knockoff of 'Terra Prime" (ENT) than the soap operatic harlequin novel plot point. At least Worf finally got to decapitate a "damned Ferengi"....God, that's all I remember. A bunch of Arguing and Worf decapitating a Ferengi....and Picard saying "he's my son...". Wow That is all I got out of that whole episode...... I'm still not entertained by it, it still isn't making sense, and even the Anti-woke Nu-Trek bashers are praising it. Like the only guy that's not is Angry Joe (Who happens to be the only one I mentioned that didn't get the 6 episode preview). Did these Anti-Nutreker anti-woke bigots sell out all of a sudden? Did they agree to praise it if they got the sneak peak? Does anyone else get the impression (And I get this in SNW too) that anytime a nu-trek character mentions starfleet morals in the show, that it seems...forced...almost sarcastic? Like a kid trying to do an inspirational speech in a school play...like its written by someone who doesn't understand the concept? Also, If they try to pull that off as the Season 2 of TNG thing like you said, They're idiots, because remember in TNG's "Attached" Picard and Beverly knew each others secrets as their minds were shared. Even to the point where Beverly finds out the Picard was in love with her. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 24, 2023 17:29:49 GMT
And would it kill them to turn up the lights a bit?? I can barely see a damn thing that's happening half of the time. SOMEONE......TURN ON..... THE ....(BLEEP)ING...LIGHTS. SERIOUSLY, LIGHTS ARE MEANT TO ILLUMINATE, NOT JUST BE SET DECORATION. I got it, maybe the production staff were all Reman!!! |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 24, 2023 18:45:54 GMT
Agree. This is how we know the script is weak. Or maybe down the line Shaw will turned out to be really cheap, like from the mirror universe, or deep undercover from Vadic people so he was being "tactically" cheap... Nah, I doubt it, Matalas and his writers took the easy way out, they just have a general idea and they make the parts fit as they go. Good story writing work the other way around, characters move the action and the plot is constantly changing as they move through it (my humble opinion).
I gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for a couple of more episodes. If they are like somehow echoing TNG S2, they might pulled some holodeck trips and give us some meat to bite into. This second episode was disappointing.
WOW, 45 MINUTES FOR 15 MINUTES OF PLOT!!!! WHAT AN ACHEIVMENT!!!! I AM SO EXCITED THAT I AM SHOUTING ABOUT IT. OH MY GARSH!!!! ...actually no, I feel like my mindistalkingtomeinamonotone'BenStein'voicebecausethisepisodewasmostlyboring. And Oh my god....seriously, the tired old hidden son cliché. I'm hoping this is some alien's bad joke of a plot of mixing Picard and Crusher's DNA. I rather it be a knockoff of 'Terra Prime" (ENT) than the soap operatic harlequin novel plot point. At least Worf finally got to decapitate a "damned Ferengi"....God, that's all I remember. A bunch of Arguing and Worf decapitating a Ferengi....and Picard saying "he's my son...". Wow That is all I got out of that whole episode...... I'm still not entertained by it, it still isn't making sense, and even the Anti-woke Nu-Trek bashers are praising it. Like the only guy that's not is Angry Joe (Who happens to be the only one I mentioned that didn't get the 6 episode preview). Did these Anti-Nutreker anti-woke bigots sell out all of a sudden? Did they agree to praise it if they got the sneak peak? Does anyone else get the impression (And I get this in SNW too) that anytime a nu-trek character mentions starfleet morals in the show, that it seems...forced...almost sarcastic? Like a kid trying to do an inspirational speech in a school play...like its written by someone who doesn't understand the concept? Also, If they try to pull that off as the Season 2 of TNG thing like you said, They're idiots, because remember in TNG's "Attached" Picard and Beverly knew each others secrets as their minds were shared. Even to the point where Beverly finds out the Picard was in love with her. Maybe they did sell out. Maybe all they really wanted was this sad bit of fanwank, because, so far, that's what it is. As for the speechifying? In Trek up to DS9, it sounded like ideals these people believed and tried to live, even if they didn't make it. Almost everything nu? It sounds like the recitation of dogma. With Burnham, it sounds like wide-eyed zealotry. |
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