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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 17, 2023 19:32:47 GMT
I was actually going to post about how I think Voyager's Warp Core is too small and looks lacking in power compared to the Enterprise (Refit), Enterprise-D (favorite warp core), The Defiant, and the Enterprise-E warp cores. At least they all have a noticeable Dilithium chamber.(well except the refit). Heck, Voyager's is the only one that doesn't have visible power transfer conduits (the Plasma Conduits that are usually horizontal that lead to the warp engines).
Voyager's Shuttle bay is too daggum small....the doors are too daggum small. You can barely fit the Delta Flyer in that shuttle bay, but wait....YOU CANT FIT IT THROUGH THE DOORS!!! There's barely room for 2 shuttles, with no room to turn around.
The viewscreen....That viewscreen is SO small, especially for the size of Bridge Voyager has. The only Starfleet viewscreen I can think of that's smaller is the Defiant's. It would be different if the bridge wall couldn't fit it, but there is SOOOOO much wasted wall space around the viewscreen. Its Insane how small it looks in photos from the back of the bridge.
Sickbay: Good God, its the only one. There are only 4 beds counting the surgical bed. What Madness is this???
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 17, 2023 20:43:30 GMT
I appreciated the smaller design. It was made to make the show feel cozy or claustrophobic depending on how you view it. Especially when stranded on the other side of the galaxy with limited resources.
But I suppose story wise it didn't really much matter whether it was a huge Galaxy luxury liner or a Defiant class. Shuttles kept on showing up. We never got an ep in which the crew were going hungry or couldn't bathe, etc...as far as I can recall anyhow.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 17, 2023 21:47:42 GMT
I appreciated the smaller design. It was made to make the show feel cozy or claustrophobic depending on how you view it. Especially when stranded on the other side of the galaxy with limited resources. But I suppose story wise it didn't really much matter whether it was a huge Galaxy luxury liner or a Defiant class. Shuttles kept on showing up. We never got an ep in which the crew were going hungry or couldn't bathe, etc...as far as I can recall anyhow. They TALKED a lot about rationing; never showed much. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 18, 2023 1:14:58 GMT
I was actually going to post about how I think Voyager's Warp Core is too small and looks lacking in power compared to the Enterprise (Refit), Enterprise-D (favorite warp core), The Defiant, and the Enterprise-E warp cores. At least they all have a noticeable Dilithium chamber.(well except the refit). Heck, Voyager's is the only one that doesn't have visible power transfer conduits (the Plasma Conduits that are usually horizontal that lead to the warp engines). Voyager's Shuttle bay is too daggum small....the doors are too daggum small. You can barely fit the Delta Flyer in that shuttle bay, but wait....YOU CANT FIT IT THROUGH THE DOORS!!! There's barely room for 2 shuttles, with no room to turn around. The viewscreen....That viewscreen is SO small, especially for the size of Bridge Voyager has. The only Starfleet viewscreen I can think of that's smaller is the Defiant's. It would be different if the bridge wall couldn't fit it, but there is SOOOOO much wasted wall space around the viewscreen. Its Insane how small it looks in photos from the back of the bridge. Sickbay: Good God, its the only one. There are only 4 beds counting the surgical bed. What Madness is this??? I've always inferred that Voyager was a smaller, swift little scout-like vessel; not a ship fitted for long-duration missions of exploration (insert irony here). |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 18, 2023 21:45:37 GMT
Voyager's shuttle capacity was enormous. Somehow. Quite apart from the shuttle's you know that funny thing on the underside of the saucer section? That was the aeroshuttle. Designed, but never used.
VFX test above for same.
Guess they must've done a plot of replication of shuttle parts... I mean, there's even two Delta Flyers, right? Maybe they had to replicate shuttle bay doors too every time the Flyer took off from there, because she looks too damn big for that cosy shuttle bay...
(if you squint, everything fits) |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 21, 2023 17:46:37 GMT
I was actually going to post about how I think Voyager's Warp Core is too small and looks lacking in power compared to the Enterprise (Refit), Enterprise-D (favorite warp core), The Defiant, and the Enterprise-E warp cores. At least they all have a noticeable Dilithium chamber.(well except the refit). Heck, Voyager's is the only one that doesn't have visible power transfer conduits (the Plasma Conduits that are usually horizontal that lead to the warp engines). Voyager's Shuttle bay is too daggum small....the doors are too daggum small. You can barely fit the Delta Flyer in that shuttle bay, but wait....YOU CANT FIT IT THROUGH THE DOORS!!! There's barely room for 2 shuttles, with no room to turn around. The viewscreen....That viewscreen is SO small, especially for the size of Bridge Voyager has. The only Starfleet viewscreen I can think of that's smaller is the Defiant's. It would be different if the bridge wall couldn't fit it, but there is SOOOOO much wasted wall space around the viewscreen. Its Insane how small it looks in photos from the back of the bridge. Sickbay: Good God, its the only one. There are only 4 beds counting the surgical bed. What Madness is this??? I've always inferred that Voyager was a smaller, swift little scout-like vessel; not a ship fitted for long-duration missions of exploration (insert irony here). But Voyager has a lot more mass than a constitution class..... which brings up the point. ONLY 40 PHOTON TORPEDOES?  Again is more massive than a constitution class, but a connie refit has 94 Photon Torpedoes (Source: I counted them on Mr. Scott's inventory screen in TUC). But thats ok, I think ONSCREEN Voyager fired 96 of the 40 photon torpedoes. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 21, 2023 18:11:35 GMT
I've always inferred that Voyager was a smaller, swift little scout-like vessel; not a ship fitted for long-duration missions of exploration (insert irony here). But Voyager has a lot more mass than a constitution class..... which brings up the point. ONLY 40 PHOTON TORPEDOES? Again is more massive than a constitution class, but a connie refit has 94 Photon Torpedoes (Source: I counted them on Mr. Scott's inventory screen in TUC). But thats ok, I think ONSCREEN Voyager fired 96 of the 40 photon torpedoes. With no hint that they ever built more. They just had all they needed. |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 21, 2023 19:15:27 GMT
Couldn't they just replicate all the parts? I know they had limited energy sources, but when you're passing through Borg space, you'd give up a Holodeck ration if it meant you could build half a photon torpedo.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 21, 2023 19:50:10 GMT
Couldn't they just replicate all the parts? I know they had limited energy sources, but when you're passing through Borg space, you'd give up a Holodeck ration if it meant you could build half a photon torpedo. I think it was supposed to be an antimatter issue or something. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 22, 2023 2:14:08 GMT
Couldn't they just replicate all the parts? I know they had limited energy sources, but when you're passing through Borg space, you'd give up a Holodeck ration if it meant you could build half a photon torpedo. I think it was supposed to be an antimatter issue or something. Also, Holodeck energy is "Incompatible". I know a weak excuse that allows Holodeck usage while starving. All the parts should be replicatable on a torpedo except for the anti-matter. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 22, 2023 4:26:33 GMT
I think it was supposed to be an antimatter issue or something. Also, Holodeck energy is "Incompatible". I know a weak excuse that allows Holodeck usage while starving. All the parts should be replicatable on a torpedo except for the anti-matter. The holodeck was always the bigger sin to me. Holodeck energy is "incompatible?" LOL. How? Are they a closed system with their own power source? I can't see any design reason for that to be necessary, but even if that's true, I don't believe in a million years that they couldn't build a converter. If it's not? How can it be powered by the ship and incompatible with the ship's power. It's just some lazy so they can have holodeck stories whenever they please. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 22, 2023 13:55:22 GMT
Also, Holodeck energy is "Incompatible". I know a weak excuse that allows Holodeck usage while starving. All the parts should be replicatable on a torpedo except for the anti-matter. The holodeck was always the bigger sin to me. Holodeck energy is "incompatible?" LOL. How? Are they a closed system with their own power source? I can't see any design reason for that to be necessary, but even if that's true, I don't believe in a million years that they couldn't build a converter. If it's not? How can it be powered by the ship and incompatible with the ship's power. It's just some lazy so they can have holodeck stories whenever they please. ^ This. And regarding the torpedoes? I would've preferred if they simply never mentioned their inventory at the very beginning. Same with the shuttles. Or, at least, we could've seen some effort to retrieve or repair crashed shuttles. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 22, 2023 16:05:25 GMT
The holodeck was always the bigger sin to me. Holodeck energy is "incompatible?" LOL. How? Are they a closed system with their own power source? I can't see any design reason for that to be necessary, but even if that's true, I don't believe in a million years that they couldn't build a converter. If it's not? How can it be powered by the ship and incompatible with the ship's power. It's just some lazy so they can have holodeck stories whenever they please. ^ This. And regarding the torpedoes? I would've preferred if they simply never mentioned their inventory at the very beginning. Same with the shuttles. Or, at least, we could've seen some effort to retrieve or repair crashed shuttles. Even a throwaway line somewhere where they mention all the effort they go to to salvage the shuttles because they have to reclaim every ounce they can because replacing them is such a labor and energy expense. But, for all their grousing about resources, I never saw them ACTUALLY short on resources. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 22, 2023 17:06:55 GMT
The holodeck was always the bigger sin to me. Holodeck energy is "incompatible?" LOL. How? Are they a closed system with their own power source? I can't see any design reason for that to be necessary, but even if that's true, I don't believe in a million years that they couldn't build a converter. If it's not? How can it be powered by the ship and incompatible with the ship's power. It's just some lazy so they can have holodeck stories whenever they please. ^ This. And regarding the torpedoes? I would've preferred if they simply never mentioned their inventory at the very beginning. Same with the shuttles. Or, at least, we could've seen some effort to retrieve or repair crashed shuttles. What really hurt was in an early episode Chakotay said "We have a compliment of 32 Photon Torpedoes at our disposal" and Janeway says "And no way to replace them once they're gone." UGH!!! Also late in the series Chakotay says "We have a full compliment of shuttles" - Another facepalm. |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 22, 2023 20:28:59 GMT
I never understand it when writers put in self-limiting "definites" early on in a continuing (episodic) story. You just know you're gonna bump up against those limitations again at some point further down the line. I know it's all just pseudo-science, but it's annoying for the viewer who actually is paying attention and notices all the details.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 23, 2023 2:04:58 GMT
I never understand it when writers put in self-limiting "definites" early on in a continuing (episodic) story. You just know you're gonna bump up against those limitations again at some point further down the line. I know it's all just pseudo-science, but it's annoying for the viewer who actually is paying attention and notices all the details. Just a simple throwaway line somewhere about searching for fresh resources to aid in manufacturing new torpedoes and shuttles would've done the trick. |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 23, 2023 18:06:21 GMT
I never understand it when writers put in self-limiting "definites" early on in a continuing (episodic) story. You just know you're gonna bump up against those limitations again at some point further down the line. I know it's all just pseudo-science, but it's annoying for the viewer who actually is paying attention and notices all the details. Just a simple throwaway line somewhere about searching for fresh resources to aid in manufacturing new torpedoes and shuttles would've done the trick. Exactly. It's bolstering the internal logic of the story and the fictional world it take place in. It enhances "believability" for the viewer (or reader). |
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Again is more massive than a constitution class, but a connie refit has 94 Photon Torpedoes (Source: I counted them on Mr. Scott's inventory screen in TUC). But thats ok, I think ONSCREEN Voyager fired 96 of the 40 photon torpedoes. 
I am so sorry...