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Post by ashleytinger on Feb 13, 2023 15:03:03 GMT
In between running around the cruise ship, recovering from eating too much good food and just lounging, the ship had two episodes of Voyager in the rotation so I half-watched them while we were doing our thing.
The first was Cathexis, the second was Faces.
I'd forgotten about Cathexis entirely as it wasn't in my essential Voyager rewatch a few years ago. I liked the paranoia aspects and the reveal at the end, but there's a lot going on and the premise is great but it never felt like it gelled all that well.
Faces I have mixed feelings about. I like the idea of B'elanna wrestling with her Klingon and Human halves, but they go the route where her warrior half is Klingon and her human is the one that's afraid. Yes, her Klingon heritage is what she wrestles with but what if it had been flipped and her human side was the angry side and the Klingon a bit different? It all ends up feeling like something we've seen before and I hate that the EMH can just 'fix' what the Vidiians did with basically a wave of his hand.
They both feel like uneven first season episodes of Berman-era Trek and both end up playing a little too safe with the concepts.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 24, 2023 14:55:41 GMT
In between running around the cruise ship, recovering from eating too much good food and just lounging, the ship had two episodes of Voyager in the rotation so I half-watched them while we were doing our thing.
The first was Cathexis, the second was Faces.
I'd forgotten about Cathexis entirely as it wasn't in my essential Voyager rewatch a few years ago. I liked the paranoia aspects and the reveal at the end, but there's a lot going on and the premise is great but it never felt like it gelled all that well.
Faces I have mixed feelings about. I like the idea of B'elanna wrestling with her Klingon and Human halves, but they go the route where her warrior half is Klingon and her human is the one that's afraid. Yes, her Klingon heritage is what she wrestles with but what if it had been flipped and her human side was the angry side and the Klingon a bit different? It all ends up feeling like something we've seen before and I hate that the EMH can just 'fix' what the Vidiians did with basically a wave of his hand.
They both feel like uneven first season episodes of Berman-era Trek and both end up playing a little too safe with the concepts.
Hope you're enjoying the cruise! |
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Post by ashleytinger on Feb 24, 2023 15:29:51 GMT
In between running around the cruise ship, recovering from eating too much good food and just lounging, the ship had two episodes of Voyager in the rotation so I half-watched them while we were doing our thing.
The first was Cathexis, the second was Faces.
I'd forgotten about Cathexis entirely as it wasn't in my essential Voyager rewatch a few years ago. I liked the paranoia aspects and the reveal at the end, but there's a lot going on and the premise is great but it never felt like it gelled all that well.
Faces I have mixed feelings about. I like the idea of B'elanna wrestling with her Klingon and Human halves, but they go the route where her warrior half is Klingon and her human is the one that's afraid. Yes, her Klingon heritage is what she wrestles with but what if it had been flipped and her human side was the angry side and the Klingon a bit different? It all ends up feeling like something we've seen before and I hate that the EMH can just 'fix' what the Vidiians did with basically a wave of his hand.
They both feel like uneven first season episodes of Berman-era Trek and both end up playing a little too safe with the concepts.
Hope you're enjoying the cruise! Oh I've been back to the grind for a bit now. It was fun watching these on a cruise ship even if they weren't my favorite episodes. I also discovered I rather like Father Brown, a BBC murder mystery series that's like a post WWII Murder She Wrote in England. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 25, 2023 14:50:28 GMT
Yeah, it always bugged me that the human half was the scared side. I think it would've been a neat change up if the reason why she is so angry all the time is because her Klingon half is afraid and her human half is the warrior. She feels her Klingon half is a coward.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 7, 2023 13:28:17 GMT
I had no idea you worked on cruise ships, Ashley. Sorry - probably due to me not reading posts closely enough. I always thought that’d be a fascinating environment in which to work and observe human beings at play, in microcosm. (Although, like all jobs, I’m sure it becomes routine.)
I always liked Faces but that would’ve been a better route to explore. Unexpectedly dramatic. Berman-era Trek rarely overreached for experimental purposes though. It used to bug me a lot that they’d have a great SF or sociological idea, then fail to really go 100% on it and I suspect that was often not the fault of the writer’s room, but, er, more conservative forces within TPTB. I always felt they should’ve killed Will Riker at the end of S6 in Second Chances and replaced him with Tom as a lieutenant. (This was something that was mooted.) It would’ve sauced up TNG S7.
(I think they may do that on Picard S3. If they can bring back Changelings, they can bring back Tom Riker…)
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 8, 2023 12:43:36 GMT
I had no idea you worked on cruise ships, Ashley. Sorry - probably due to me not reading posts closely enough. I always thought that’d be a fascinating environment in which to work and observe human beings at play, in microcosm. (Although, like all jobs, I’m sure it becomes routine.) I always liked Faces but that would’ve been a better route to explore. Unexpectedly dramatic. Berman-era Trek rarely overreached for experimental purposes though. It used to bug me a lot that they’d have a great SF or sociological idea, then fail to really go 100% on it and I suspect that was often not the fault of the writer’s room, but, er, more conservative forces within TPTB. I always felt they should’ve killed Will Riker at the end of S6 in Second Chances and replaced him with Tom as a lieutenant. (This was something that was mooted.) It would’ve sauced up TNG S7. (I think they may do that on Picard S3. If they can bring back Changelings, they can bring back Tom Riker…) I take cruises, but I work in IT in a mostly landlocked state. I did end up working on said cruise though as we were splitting our infrastructure and I couldn't get away from that, so I had to have internet to be able to remote in to work. If I'd have known they were selling our company off I wouldn't have planned a cruise 
Them not killing off Will and giving something really new for Frakes and the crew to work with was a damned shame. It's an interesting road not taken and would have shaken up season 7 quite a bit I think with someone else as Number One, him stuck at either Nav or ops, the crew having to adjust.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 9, 2023 0:15:11 GMT
I had no idea you worked on cruise ships, Ashley. Sorry - probably due to me not reading posts closely enough. I always thought that’d be a fascinating environment in which to work and observe human beings at play, in microcosm. (Although, like all jobs, I’m sure it becomes routine.) I always liked Faces but that would’ve been a better route to explore. Unexpectedly dramatic. Berman-era Trek rarely overreached for experimental purposes though. It used to bug me a lot that they’d have a great SF or sociological idea, then fail to really go 100% on it and I suspect that was often not the fault of the writer’s room, but, er, more conservative forces within TPTB. I always felt they should’ve killed Will Riker at the end of S6 in Second Chances and replaced him with Tom as a lieutenant. (This was something that was mooted.) It would’ve sauced up TNG S7. (I think they may do that on Picard S3. If they can bring back Changelings, they can bring back Tom Riker…) I take cruises, but I work in IT in a mostly landlocked state. I did end up working on said cruise though as we were splitting our infrastructure and I couldn't get away from that, so I had to have internet to be able to remote in to work. If I'd have known they were selling our company off I wouldn't have planned a cruise
Them not killing off Will and giving something really new for Frakes and the crew to work with was a damned shame. It's an interesting road not taken and would have shaken up season 7 quite a bit I think with someone else as Number One, him stuck at either Nav or ops, the crew having to adjust.
Ah, right! Oh, man... I hope you can relax, even in the light of that news! Bloody typical, that everything happens while you're on vacation... Yeah, totally agree about the Will/Tom scenario. Crew members responding to Tom as if he were Will, then remembering that Will is gone, would've really juiced up the relationships between the main characters and given the writers some genuinely 24th century drama to explore. |
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I am so sorry...