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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 27, 2023 5:18:22 GMT
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 27, 2023 13:11:56 GMT
I hate to say it, but he's right. You have to establish a cast that is known and loved by pop culture, then end the show's run and hope the fans desire more then write a script that is great and epic in scope, come up with effects that are better than what you see on tv/streaming, and find a cinematographer that can shoot it in a more epic scope....its just hard to do when all your established series are over budgeted, and constantly set up to look like movies.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 27, 2023 15:37:42 GMT
I don't mind them trying to do Trek movies. Let them be--- little testbeds. Espionage is fun. Cloak and dagger is fun. Do a Section 31 movie and maybe it makes a little money. It's not a blockbuster, but maybe when all the beans are counted you've made 50 million.
Try the Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
A Dominion War movie.
A movie about the Earth/Romulan war.
A different ship and a different crew.
TV budgets and effects are ridiculous to the point that an episode of Trek is already essentially movie-grade, so just use that infrastructure and try some things.
What annoys the hell out of me at this point is Paramount's forever "disappointment" with Trek's box office performance while still being desperate to slap something on the screen. Listen, dudes, it's been 35 years of trying. You KNOW what these movies are probably going to do, so, either, work within those bounds, change your expectations, and be FREAKING HAPPY with a modest return, and maybe, with that, a hint on what your next TV foray should be about, or just forever shelve the idea of Star Trek movies.
Just so I don't have to see how the execs put their hands in their pockets and kick dirt in disappointment when the film doesn't end up on the top 10 all-time box office lists anymore.
I am more sick of THAT at this point than I am bad Star Trek movies.
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Post by BeastBoy on Jan 27, 2023 16:08:34 GMT
A movie about the Earth/Romulan war. I want to watch this movie. This is the untold story. |
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Post by scenario on Jan 27, 2023 17:05:00 GMT
With multiple sets available to use why couldn't P+ make one or two movies a year with all new crews for one off stories. Different ships. Use these to experiment.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 27, 2023 19:59:34 GMT
Listen, dudes, it's been 35 years of trying. You KNOW what these movies are probably going to do, so, either, work within those bounds, change your expectations, and be FREAKING HAPPY with a modest return, and maybe, with that, a hint on what your next TV foray should be about, or just forever shelve the idea of Star Trek movies. Just so I don't have to see how the execs put their hands in their pockets and kick dirt in disappointment when the film doesn't end up on the top 10 all-time box office lists anymore. I am more sick of THAT at this point than I am bad Star Trek movies. Agreed....but it's difficult for them, all of them(Star Wars, DC, etc..), when they see Marvel. All they see is $ and how much of it they are not making. They fail to see that these are different stories. To your point: they need to adjust their expectations. Don't put money into it expecting tenfold return. Invest modestly. Star Trek movies have just never been 'tentpole' mega block buster movies like those other franchises as much as they've wanted it to be. The more they force the movies into that peg hole, the more awkward the movies get(Picard in a dune buggy, Kirk with the motorcycle, etc.. for the sake of 'action'). We have to remember we even got a first movie because of Star Wars. Granted, TWOK was a success and that probably was more of a curse than a blessing watching so many of the movies repeating that same formula. More broadly, I would wonder what would a Trek movie even be like considering that variety of different current nu-Trek shows. The only one I could see a translatable future for would be SNW. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 27, 2023 20:12:49 GMT
And an SNW movie can be modestly-budgeted and can look for a modest return.
But that's never enough.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 27, 2023 23:08:35 GMT
I could see a Romulan war movie working, if you market it right. Hell make a trilogy of it. each being a different point of the war. Kinda like the original Star Wars trilogy. Have it all end on the epic battle that leads to the subspace radio ceasefire and treaty.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jan 29, 2023 2:59:43 GMT
This could be an amazing miniseries for Paramount+, but too niche for a mass market movie, I think.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 29, 2023 4:31:56 GMT
This could be an amazing miniseries for Paramount+, but too niche for a mass market movie, I think. I wouldn't say it's completely undoable. War movies kind of universal. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jan 30, 2023 4:03:43 GMT
This could be an amazing miniseries for Paramount+, but too niche for a mass market movie, I think. I wouldn't say it's completely undoable. War movies kind of universal.  |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 6, 2023 1:27:12 GMT
Frakes is correct. Star Trek natural environment is a TV series (episodic of course  ). I have all the movies and have watched them more than once and have a soft spot for The Voyage Home and Khan (actually STIV is my Christmas movie of choice); but in truth is not an ideal format for Trek. Movies have beginning and end, and a TV series presupposes continuity and that "seriality" creates the notion that the characters and the ideas explored on the episodes belong to your daily life. Star Trek movies always end up (mostly) feeling like an extended episode and for that they miss the energy and strength the film medium offers. A Trek film feels constraint. That is not speaking less of Trek series, as if films are some kind of high form TV can't reach. "The Visitor" works because is a TV episode, it packs a punch because any number of nuances are build into it inherited from Trek many previous episodes and series. If they make another Trek movie I will certainly go watch it, but I am not losing any sleep waiting for it to happen. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2023 5:07:04 GMT
I'm indifferent. It will happen or it won't.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 6, 2023 15:12:57 GMT
Frakes is correct. Star Trek natural environment is a TV series (episodic of course ). I have all the movies and have watched them more than once and have a soft spot for The Voyage Home and Khan (actually STIV is my Christmas movie of choice); but in truth is not an ideal format for Trek. Movies have beginning and end, and a TV series presupposes continuity and that "seriality" creates the notion that the characters and the ideas explored on the episodes belong to your daily life. Star Trek movies always end up (mostly) feeling like an extended episode and for that they miss the energy and strength the film medium offers. A Trek film feels constraint. That is not speaking less of Trek series, as if films are some kind of high form TV can't reach. "The Visitor" works because is a TV episode, it packs a punch because any number of nuances are build into it inherited from Trek many previous episodes and series. If they make another Trek movie I will certainly go watch it, but I am not losing any sleep waiting for it to happen. I agree. Star Trek is, by its very nature, episodic. TV fits Trek like a glove. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 6, 2023 15:14:24 GMT
I'm indifferent. It will happen or it won't. I'd like to see another Trek movie, of course, but yeah; there's so much Star Trek right now that it really doesn't matter. I don't really go to theaters, anyway. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2023 15:42:44 GMT
I'm indifferent. It will happen or it won't. I'd like to see another Trek movie, of course, but yeah; there's so much Star Trek right now that it really doesn't matter. I don't really go to theaters, anyway. Which is a marked change for you. LOL. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 6, 2023 22:53:28 GMT
I'm indifferent. It will happen or it won't. I'd like to see another Trek movie, of course, but yeah; there's so much Star Trek right now that it really doesn't matter. I don't really go to theaters, anyway. I love seeing Star Trek in theatres. I just saw Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan Director's cut in theaters back in November. And Earlier in April, I saw Star Trek The Motion Picture Director's Cut Remastered in theatres AND OF MY GOD!!! WHAT AN EXPERIENCE!!! That just leaves III, IV, V, and VI that I haven't seen in theaters. (All the others I saw when they came out) |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2023 23:47:32 GMT
III is the only one I haven't seen in theaters at this point.
I'm hoping Fathom does something at some point.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 8, 2023 4:50:18 GMT
III is the only one I haven't seen in theaters at this point.  You missed STIII in theaters?? I actually ditched a day of school (with my sister and best friend) to see it back on opening day.  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 8, 2023 5:11:39 GMT
III is the only one I haven't seen in theaters at this point. You missed STIII in theaters?? I actually ditched a day of school (with my sister and best friend) to see it back on opening day. Yeah, my younger cousin came over on premiere Sunday and we watched it on Showtime. 19-inch screens leave something to be desired. LOL. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Feb 8, 2023 17:50:05 GMT
I'd like to see another Trek movie, of course, but yeah; there's so much Star Trek right now that it really doesn't matter. I don't really go to theaters, anyway. I love seeing Star Trek in theatres. It depends for me. I think the TOS crew looked really good on the big screen. To me, the rest just didn't. TNG always looked like the tv show to me. Some exceptions here and there. JJ Trek, and probably way too many movies now a days, suffered from too much computer graphics/green screen. There is no weight to it. A real small scale model looks real compared to cgi regardless of how fancy it gets. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 8, 2023 17:52:11 GMT
You missed STIII in theaters?? I actually ditched a day of school (with my sister and best friend) to see it back on opening day. Yeah, my younger cousin came over on premiere Sunday and we watched it on Showtime. 19-inch screens leave something to be desired. LOL. 19-inch CRT "Fullscreen" leaves a LOT to be desired. Btw, what exactly was Showtime's "Premiere Sunday"? |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 8, 2023 19:01:59 GMT
When I rewatched (most of) the first six movies on remastered 4K recently, I realised something, that I'm just going to come and and say...
I really love Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
I love the "trilogy," yeah, but that middle chapter always gets a hard critical ride and I just don't get why. Perhaps because it's so studio-bound; perhaps because it's not entirely a "standalone" story... none of which are criticisms that it could really help or can be laid at the door of its director. I just really, really enjoy it.
I recall thinking the first time I saw it as a teenager that, if it was the last one, it was a great place to leave it, as the crew, the family, were all together again with Spock restored. Of course, they didn't, and the next one did even bigger, better box office and is also a great personal fave and all-time feel good film, but that never diminished my love for TSFS.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 8, 2023 19:06:35 GMT
When I rewatched (most of) the first six movies on remastered 4K recently, I realised something, that I'm just going to come and and say... I really love Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. I love the "trilogy," yeah, but that middle chapter always gets a hard critical ride and I just don't get why. Perhaps because it's so studio-bound; perhaps because it's not entirely a "standalone" story... none of which are criticisms that it could really help or can be laid at the door of its director. I just really, really enjoy it. I recall thinking the first time I saw it as a teenager that, if it was the last one, it was a great place to leave it, as the crew, the family, were all together again with Spock restored. Of course, they didn't, and the next one did even bigger, better box office and is also a great personal fave and all-time feel good film, but that never diminished my love for TSFS. A Sunday was just when it happened to drop that particular year.  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 8, 2023 19:15:50 GMT
When I rewatched (most of) the first six movies on remastered 4K recently, I realised something, that I'm just going to come and and say... I really love Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. I love the "trilogy," yeah, but that middle chapter always gets a hard critical ride and I just don't get why. Perhaps because it's so studio-bound; perhaps because it's not entirely a "standalone" story... none of which are criticisms that it could really help or can be laid at the door of its director. I just really, really enjoy it. I recall thinking the first time I saw it as a teenager that, if it was the last one, it was a great place to leave it, as the crew, the family, were all together again with Spock restored. Of course, they didn't, and the next one did even bigger, better box office and is also a great personal fave and all-time feel good film, but that never diminished my love for TSFS. A Sunday was just when it happened to drop that particular year. It's an honestly fun outing. I loved the hijacking of the Enterprise. It was a great story. It's this group of people who at this point have no clue that Spock was alive or could be restored that literally say, "I love these people so much that I will ---- my life and my future so that one can be restored and the other can rest in peace, whatever that is for them." How can you not be moved that, especially when you've followed these people for decades before this? It gets trashed because "cheap" because the Genesis Planet is obviously a soundstage, (though it's perfectly effective, tbh) and it's sandwiched between the two films with the most notoriety. I think it comes down to mostly just that. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 9, 2023 2:37:10 GMT
You missed STIII in theaters?? I actually ditched a day of school (with my sister and best friend) to see it back on opening day. Yeah, my younger cousin came over on premiere Sunday and we watched it on Showtime. 19-inch screens leave something to be desired. LOL. *the thought of seeing TSFS for the first time on a 19" TV*  |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 9, 2023 2:40:00 GMT
When I rewatched (most of) the first six movies on remastered 4K recently, I realised something, that I'm just going to come and and say... I really love Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. I love the "trilogy," yeah, but that middle chapter always gets a hard critical ride and I just don't get why. Perhaps because it's so studio-bound; perhaps because it's not entirely a "standalone" story... none of which are criticisms that it could really help or can be laid at the door of its director. I just really, really enjoy it. I recall thinking the first time I saw it as a teenager that, if it was the last one, it was a great place to leave it, as the crew, the family, were all together again with Spock restored. Of course, they didn't, and the next one did even bigger, better box office and is also a great personal fave and all-time feel good film, but that never diminished my love for TSFS. TSFS is the first Star Trek movie to really, really capture the warmth and camaraderie of TOS Star Trek (yeah, even TWOK didn't quite nail it). When Spock returns at the end, a part of me really felt like the crew had truly 'come home' (even without an Enterprise--TVH's Enterprise-A was just the cherry on top). |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 10, 2023 0:13:32 GMT
When I rewatched (most of) the first six movies on remastered 4K recently, I realised something, that I'm just going to come and and say... I really love Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. I love the "trilogy," yeah, but that middle chapter always gets a hard critical ride and I just don't get why. Perhaps because it's so studio-bound; perhaps because it's not entirely a "standalone" story... none of which are criticisms that it could really help or can be laid at the door of its director. I just really, really enjoy it. I recall thinking the first time I saw it as a teenager that, if it was the last one, it was a great place to leave it, as the crew, the family, were all together again with Spock restored. Of course, they didn't, and the next one did even bigger, better box office and is also a great personal fave and all-time feel good film, but that never diminished my love for TSFS. TSFS is the first Star Trek movie to really, really capture the warmth and camaraderie of TOS Star Trek (yeah, even TWOK didn't quite nail it). When Spock returns at the end, a part of me really felt like the crew had truly 'come home' (even without an Enterprise--TVH's Enterprise-A was just the cherry on top). It also contains one of Shatner's absolute best performances as Kirk. I'm not talking about, "You Klingon bastard..." etc. - more the moments when Sarek is mind-melding with him and he relives Spock's death, and his brilliant, deadpan determination through all the scenes to do with stealing the Enterprise. I have a theory that Shatner gave his best when he worked with directors he trusted, and he clearly trusted Nimoy, Meyer and obviously Daniels and Pevney. He really gave himself over to the former two in the movies they directed, and we got four of his best performances as Kirk out of that. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Feb 11, 2023 20:52:21 GMT
TSFS is the first Star Trek movie to really, really capture the warmth and camaraderie of TOS Star Trek (yeah, even TWOK didn't quite nail it). When Spock returns at the end, a part of me really felt like the crew had truly 'come home' (even without an Enterprise--TVH's Enterprise-A was just the cherry on top). It also contains one of Shatner's absolute best performances as Kirk. I'm not talking about, "You Klingon bastard..." etc. - more the moments when Sarek is mind-melding with him and he relives Spock's death, and his brilliant, deadpan determination through all the scenes to do with stealing the Enterprise. I have a theory that Shatner gave his best when he worked with directors he trusted, and he clearly trusted Nimoy, Meyer and obviously Daniels and Pevney. He really gave himself over to the former two in the movies they directed, and we got four of his best performances as Kirk out of that. Soooooo agreed. |
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). I have all the movies and have watched them more than once and have a soft spot for The Voyage Home and Khan (actually STIV is my Christmas movie of choice); but in truth is not an ideal format for Trek. Movies have beginning and end, and a TV series presupposes continuity and that "seriality" creates the notion that the characters and the ideas explored on the episodes belong to your daily life. Star Trek movies always end up (mostly) feeling like an extended episode and for that they miss the energy and strength the film medium offers. A Trek film feels constraint. That is not speaking less of Trek series, as if films are some kind of high form TV can't reach. "The Visitor" works because is a TV episode, it packs a punch because any number of nuances are build into it inherited from Trek many previous episodes and series. 
I am so sorry...
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