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Post by Yorick on Jan 24, 2023 22:41:01 GMT
The result reminded me of David Gerrold’s hypothetical bad/ordinary Star Trek episode he outlined in the 70s book The World of Star Trek. The prompt was “Write a short scene from a hypothetical fourth season episode of the original Star Trek”. The new Harlan Ellison’s, David Gerrolds and DC Fontanas of the world have nothing to worry about.
For now…
(the bot did everything below in about ten seconds)
INT. USS ENTERPRISE - BRIDGE
The bridge is bustling with activity as the crew goes about their duties. Captain Kirk sits in the command chair, staring intently at the viewscreen.
KIRK (to Communications Officer) Lieutenant Uhura, what's the status of the distress signal?
UHURA (looking at her console) The signal is coming from the planet below, Captain. It's a distress call from a colony of human settlers.
KIRK (nodding) Red Alert. Mr. Sulu, take us in.
SULU (at the helm) Aye, Captain. Entering orbit now.
The bridge crew watches as the planet comes into view on the viewscreen.
KIRK (to First Officer) Mr. Spock, what can you tell me about the planet's surface?
SPOCK (looking at his console) The planet appears to be Class M, Captain. The colony's distress signal is coming from the northern continent.
KIRK (nodding) Alright, let's beam down and investigate.
The bridge crew watches as Kirk, Spock, and a landing party beam down to the planet's surface.
EXT. PLANET SURFACE - DAY Kirk and his team materialize on the planet's surface and find themselves in a small settlement. The buildings are in ruins, and there are no signs of life.
KIRK (looking around) What happened here?
SPOCK (scanning the area) It appears that the colony was attacked, Captain. The energy readings indicate that the attackers were using weapons of significant power.
KIRK (frowning) Dammit. We need to find out who's responsible for this. Suddenly, the team is surrounded by a group of hostile aliens brandishing weapons.
ALIEN LEADER (in a guttural language) You are trespassing on our territory. Leave now, or face the consequences.
KIRK (stepping forward) I'm Captain James T. Kirk of the USS Enterprise. We received a distress signal from this colony, and we're here to help.
The alien leader looks skeptical.
ALIEN LEADER (in a guttural language) I see no evidence of a distress signal. You are clearly here to steal our resources.
KIRK (shaking his head) We're not here to steal anything. We're here to help.
The alien leader looks at Kirk for a moment, then nods.
ALIEN LEADER (in a guttural language) Very well. But you must leave as soon as your task is done.
KIRK (nodding) Agreed.
The episode continues with Kirk and his team working with the alien leader to uncover the truth about the colony's attack and stop the real aggressors.
This is a hypothetical script excerpt, it is not an actual episode of Star Trek
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 26, 2023 19:19:59 GMT
ChatGPT - a new tool invented by the cavemen of planet Earth.
[To the strains of Thus Spake Zarathustra]
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 26, 2023 21:58:25 GMT
First thing I noticed was unnecessary exposition from Uhura. Who else is on this planet? BTW, I hate A.I. I am that person who enjoyed watching Hayao Miyazaki smacking down the loser kid for suggesting A.I. to make weird animations that "Cannot be imagined by humans". HE was cruel to that kid, but In my opinion, anybody saying A.I. can "Imagine" better than the human mind is F(bleep)ing stupid. I feel like "A.I." is the new "Smart" everything. Smartphone, smart tv, smart fridge, smart watch, smart toilet paper...etc...I hate trends too.
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 26, 2023 23:15:13 GMT
It's a tool. Granted, in its early stages currently, but it's still a tool. I don't think it's intended to replace flesh-and-blood writers - if used in the right way. If.
IF... one of the most powerful words in all language.
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Post by Yorick on Jan 27, 2023 7:42:53 GMT
It’s oddly…teachable. I suppose that’s the point. I asked it to write scene involving a moral dilemma. I imagine it’s a bit like being the EP in a writers room, with the writers being young but precocious kids.
See below (it’s long - apologies)
Captain Kirk stands on the bridge of the USS Enterprise, staring at the viewscreen as a small, uninhabited planet comes into view. He turns to Mr. Spock, who stands at his side.
Kirk: "What do we know about this planet, Mr. Spock?"
Spock: "The planet is uninhabited and rich in dilithium crystals, Captain. The mining of these crystals would provide a significant boost to our mission's resources."
Kirk: "But at what cost? We have received a distress signal from a nearby planet. A highly advanced civilization is under attack by a hostile alien force. They have requested our assistance."
Spock: "Captain, the mining operation would take several weeks to complete. By the time we finished, it would be too late to save the civilization."
Kirk: "I know, Mr. Spock. But we need those crystals to complete our mission. Without them, we may not be able to defend ourselves against future threats."
Kirk turns to the rest of the bridge crew, who watch him with bated breath. He takes a deep breath before speaking.
Kirk: "I have to make a difficult decision. We will proceed with the mining operation, but we will also send a team to assist the civilization. We cannot abandon them to their fate."
The bridge crew nods in agreement as Kirk gives the order to start the mining operation and prepare a team to assist the civilization.
Kirk: "Let's make sure we do what is right, even if it's hard. That's what Starfleet is all about."
The episode ends with a shot of the Enterprise flying off into the stars, ready to face whatever challenges come next.
Me: I don’t think so. This would be a no-brainer. Kirk would answer the distress call. This is both (a) not a difficult choice and (b) not a moral choice. For example, see the choice Kirk had to make in City on the Edge of Forever. Devastating. Would you like to try again?
ChatBot I apologize if my previous response did not meet your expectations. Here is a new scene where Captain Kirk is faced with a more difficult moral choice:
Captain Kirk stands in the briefing room, staring at a holographic display of a planet with a single large city on it. He turns to Mr. Spock, who sits at the table.
Kirk: "This planet is on the brink of war. Two factions, each with their own valid claims to the land, are about to engage in a devastating war. They have requested our assistance in mediating a peace agreement."
Spock: "Captain, both factions have weapons of mass destruction and if war breaks out, it would result in the loss of millions of lives."
Kirk: "I know, Mr. Spock. But the situation is complicated. One faction is made up of descendants of the original settlers, who have lived on the planet for generations. The other faction is made up of refugees who were forced to flee their homes due to a natural disaster on their own planet. Both have valid claims to the land."
Kirk turns to the rest of the bridge crew, who watch him with bated breath. He takes a deep breath before speaking.
Kirk: "We have to make a difficult decision. If we intervene, we risk causing more harm than good. But if we don't intervene, millions will die."
Kirk walks around the table, deep in thought.
Kirk: "I'm going to mediate the peace talks personally. But, I want a away team to be ready to evacuate the settlers if needed. We'll do all we can to prevent a war but we can't let innocent lives be lost."
The bridge crew nods in agreement as Kirk gives the order to prepare for the peace talks and make the necessary arrangements for the evacuation.
Kirk: "Let's hope diplomacy prevails. But, we'll be ready for the worst-case scenario."
The episode ends with a shot of Kirk sitting at a table with the leaders of both factions, trying to find a peaceful solution while the USS Enterprise orbits the planet, ready to act if necessary.
Me: Technical note: back in TOS days, away teams were known as landing parties.
ChatBot: Thank you for pointing that out, you are correct. I apologize for the mistake. Here is the corrected version of the scene:
Captain Kirk stands in the briefing room, staring at a holographic display of a planet with a single large city on it. He turns to Mr. Spock, who sits at the table.
Kirk: "This planet is on the brink of war. Two factions, each with their own valid claims to the land, are about to engage in a devastating war. They have requested our assistance in mediating a peace agreement."
Spock: "Captain, both factions have weapons of mass destruction and if war breaks out, it would result in the loss of millions of lives."
Kirk: "I know, Mr. Spock. But the situation is complicated. One faction is made up of descendants of the original settlers, who have lived on the planet for generations. The other faction is made up of refugees who were forced to flee their homes due to a natural disaster on their own planet. Both have valid claims to the land."
Kirk turns to the rest of the bridge crew, who watch him with bated breath. He takes a deep breath before speaking.
Kirk: "We have to make a difficult decision. If we intervene, we risk causing more harm than good. But if we don't intervene, millions will die."
Kirk walks around the table, deep in thought.
Kirk: "I'm going to mediate the peace talks personally. But, I want a landing party to be ready to evacuate the settlers if needed. We'll do all we can to prevent a war but we can't let innocent lives be lost."
The bridge crew nods in agreement as Kirk gives the order to prepare for the peace talks and make the necessary arrangements
The bridge crew nods in agreement as Kirk gives the order to prepare for the peace talks and make the necessary arrangements for the evacuation.
Kirk: "Mr. Sulu, you will lead the landing party. Make sure you have enough security personnel and medical personnel to handle any situation that may arise."
Sulu: "Aye, Captain."
Kirk: "Mr. Spock, you'll be in charge of the Enterprise while I'm away. Keep the ship at the ready, we might need to act quickly."
Spock: "Understood, Captain."
Kirk: "Alright, let's do this. We'll do our best to prevent a war, but we'll be ready for the worst-case scenario."
The episode ends with a shot of Kirk sitting at a table with the leaders of both factions, trying to find a peaceful solution while the USS Enterprise orbits the planet, ready to act if necessary.
Kirk has to make a difficult moral choice: mediate peace talks and try to prevent the war, but being prepared for the worst case scenario, which is to evacuate the settlers if needed.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 27, 2023 13:03:16 GMT
Still, too much forced exposition, and now its repeating itself.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 27, 2023 18:29:14 GMT
It's a tool. Granted, in its early stages currently, but it's still a tool. I don't think it's intended to replace flesh-and-blood writers - if used in the right way. If. IF... one of the most powerful words in all language. But it will up to a certain point. I suppose that's a different conversation for its own thread. Employers, TPTB are not going to want to pay humans if they can get a license to something that will do it for cheap and over and over again. I have artists friends already dreading AI generated art. That's already here and good enough to be used for internet commercials and other such stuff which is the bread and butter for many. Think of art used for album covers(whatever the new name for that is when you watch online). That's easily done now with AI. No need to search for an artist, deal with contracts, back and forth in agreements, etc... I'm a musician. The type of music I like is not going to be affected much by this but the musician that enjoys and records more commercial stuff.....yeah....they're gonna feel this hit especially in the lyric and music writing department.
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Post by scenario on Jan 27, 2023 19:00:01 GMT
Just one more job being disrupted. Slowly but surely the middle is being eroded. First grunt labor was replaced. Now more and more middle tier jobs are being replaced. The current economic system isn't viable long term.
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Post by Yorick on Jan 27, 2023 19:54:34 GMT
Just one more job being disrupted. Slowly but surely the middle is being eroded. First grunt labor was replaced. Now more and more middle tier jobs are being replaced. The current economic system isn't viable long term. I agree. These experiments are at the “magic lantern” stage of the tech. The odd conversations seem to be going in the direction of “Her” (the film) with a later point (not that much later) being sophisticated bits that can do everything better and more quickly than humans. But why? It’s worrying when thinking about the generation I teach. The Christoper Priest short story Palely Loitering comes to mind. It’s set in a future that has star travel but where society in general has consciously decided that they will return to a simpler, almost Victorian way of life, keeping technology fairly in its place and not at the forefront.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 27, 2023 20:31:15 GMT
In 10 years it'll probably be indistinguishable from a human writer. Maybe not as innately creative, but there won't be any linguistic tells like above to point to an AI.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 27, 2023 23:01:48 GMT
When you give art to the artificial, you've already destroyed humankind.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 27, 2023 23:09:54 GMT
If we reach the point where AI can create wholly original art, I'm not sure it's just artificial anymore.
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Post by scenario on Jan 28, 2023 0:22:08 GMT
It seems like this could be the basis of a Star Trek timeline. Computers get better but plateau at the point we see them in TOS. They take over more and more jobs but since labor is the greatest cost for most businesses stuff got cheaper and cheaper. There were less and less jobs requiring more and more skills. Unemployment goes up and up. Businesses start suffering because no one could afford their products. Economy collapse. World wars. Then we meet the Vulcans who give us the first replicators. None of the old economic systems work anymore so they create a new system with some pieces of the old systems included.
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 28, 2023 0:31:40 GMT
It's a tool. Granted, in its early stages currently, but it's still a tool. I don't think it's intended to replace flesh-and-blood writers - if used in the right way. If. IF... one of the most powerful words in all language. But it will up to a certain point. I suppose that's a different conversation for its own thread. Employers, TPTB are not going to want to pay humans if they can get a license to something that will do it for cheap and over and over again. I have artists friends already dreading AI generated art. That's already here and good enough to be used for internet commercials and other such stuff which is the bread and butter for many. Think of art used for album covers(whatever the new name for that is when you watch online). That's easily done now with AI. No need to search for an artist, deal with contracts, back and forth in agreements, etc... I'm a musician. The type of music I like is not going to be affected much by this but the musician that enjoys and records more commercial stuff.....yeah....they're gonna feel this hit especially in the lyric and music writing department. I'm not saying it's right or that I agree with it. I think the intention of the developers and those tech bro types is what it always is - to show how clever they are to already rich stakeholders so they can all get richer. There's little-to-no thought at all to how it might affect people in the existing creative industries. There's no consideration of the morality of it. Inventors gonna invent. They just fed every out-of-copyright piece of art they could to it and now it can recycle and re-synsthesize those ad nauseam. It is devastating. It is literally having an enormous destructive effect upon the worldwide eco-system of living human writers and artists. I just don't know what we can do about it. I've never advertised what I do for a living on OS or here, but (it must've been sort of obvious to you all over the years), I'm a storyteller and maker of things myself who makes a living in various creative industries and I'm also directly affected by both the new Chatbots and those AI that generate imagery. Both are already driving down costs all over the place and publishers are using them to create illustrations and artists I know are not getting the work. Morality be damned - "If I can get it cheaper from a robot, why bother employing a human?" But they are tools. I'm not sure how human creatives will adapt to this latest onslaught. I don't think we can predict the shape of it or all the outcomes, but there will be some surprising developments. There always are. However these new tools develop, and they're getting so sophisticated so rapidly now, there are sure going to be some dark nights of the soul ahead for many flesh-and-blood writers and artists. I wonder if the singularity is near? [Which is a reference to this.]
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 28, 2023 2:38:46 GMT
It seems like this could be the basis of a Star Trek timeline. Computers get better but plateau at the point we see them in TOS. They take over more and more jobs but since labor is the greatest cost for most businesses stuff got cheaper and cheaper. There were less and less jobs requiring more and more skills. Unemployment goes up and up. Businesses start suffering because no one could afford their products. Economy collapse. World wars. Then we meet the Vulcans who give us the first replicators. None of the old economic systems work anymore so they create a new system with some pieces of the old systems included. It's why some European countries are already laying the groundwork for bot taxes. Employ a human or bot, but, if it's a bot, you are going to at least somewhat subsidize the unemployed human.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 28, 2023 15:54:51 GMT
It seems like this could be the basis of a Star Trek timeline. Computers get better but plateau at the point we see them in TOS. They take over more and more jobs but since labor is the greatest cost for most businesses stuff got cheaper and cheaper. There were less and less jobs requiring more and more skills. Unemployment goes up and up. Businesses start suffering because no one could afford their products. Economy collapse. World wars. Then we meet the Vulcans who give us the first replicators. None of the old economic systems work anymore so they create a new system with some pieces of the old systems included. It's why some European countries are already laying the groundwork for bot taxes. Employ a human or bot, but, if it's a bot, you are going to at least somewhat subsidize the unemployed human. I say give it a 200% tax.
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 28, 2023 20:54:23 GMT
It seems like this could be the basis of a Star Trek timeline. Computers get better but plateau at the point we see them in TOS. They take over more and more jobs but since labor is the greatest cost for most businesses stuff got cheaper and cheaper. There were less and less jobs requiring more and more skills. Unemployment goes up and up. Businesses start suffering because no one could afford their products. Economy collapse. World wars. Then we meet the Vulcans who give us the first replicators. None of the old economic systems work anymore so they create a new system with some pieces of the old systems included. It's why some European countries are already laying the groundwork for bot taxes. Employ a human or bot, but, if it's a bot, you are going to at least somewhat subsidize the unemployed human. I'm waiting for the day all those ultra-rich tech types volunteer a universal basic income to the rest of us, so we can begin the Federation.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 29, 2023 2:17:01 GMT
It seems like this could be the basis of a Star Trek timeline. Computers get better but plateau at the point we see them in TOS. They take over more and more jobs but since labor is the greatest cost for most businesses stuff got cheaper and cheaper. There were less and less jobs requiring more and more skills. Unemployment goes up and up. Businesses start suffering because no one could afford their products. Economy collapse. World wars. Then we meet the Vulcans who give us the first replicators. None of the old economic systems work anymore so they create a new system with some pieces of the old systems included. It's why some European countries are already laying the groundwork for bot taxes. Employ a human or bot, but, if it's a bot, you are going to at least somewhat subsidize the unemployed human. I'm waiting for the day all those ultra-rich tech types volunteer a universal basic income to the rest of us, so we can begin the Federation. OMG, an entire PLANET of "takers." How will the Elons of the world survive?
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jan 29, 2023 2:56:25 GMT
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jan 29, 2023 5:19:28 GMT
XD roflmao. Right? I've forgotten about that skit.
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Post by RobinBland on Jan 30, 2023 3:51:54 GMT
Yeah… it’ll be a long wait…
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 1, 2023 20:39:48 GMT
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