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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 19, 2024 17:16:31 GMT
So here it ends.
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Post by Yorick on May 24, 2024 20:16:34 GMT
Not for me. I stopped watching after whichever episode it was where Callum Keith Rennie got chewed out by Tilley because of his approach to the crew interviews. It wasn’t exactly a decision on my part. I wasn’t able to watch the next episode when it was released but I found I was not missing it either. In fact, that scene kept coming back to me every time I thought about catching up until I reached a point where I realised I was happier not watching. This show so far from my mental model of Star Trek - the writing, the character discipline, the look and feel - I felt a little bit like I’d been in a cult and finally got out into the sun. I was hanging in on echoes of the past that I was desperately chasing to get back to a place that just doesn’t exist any more. So, farewell Discovery. Many great actors and some characters I really like. Put Saru something else, please, but wait for a full replacement of the writing team. Or the 49 producers.
To what might have been, and indeed to life itself. 🍻
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Post by scenario on May 25, 2024 0:38:52 GMT
Imo, writing has changed in the last 20 years or so. Imo there's more specialization now, procedurals, Science fiction, woman's fiction, reality shows etc. Star trek is considered science fiction which means bang, bang, shoot, shoot and flashy special effects. Emotions are for night time soaps. So you've got action writers trying to write emotional scenes and they're just forced in where they don't fit. There aren't any shows like old style ST so writers don't learn how to write them. As I've said before, Discovery is almost a great show. It just feels disjointed and sticks its foot in its mouth too often.
Star Trek was once called wagon train to the stars. I've been staying with my 90 year old mom and watching westerns. ST, especially TOS is very similar to westerns. But westerns have been dead for 50 years and the people who knew how to write them don't write anymore.
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Post by Yorick on May 25, 2024 7:21:38 GMT
There aren't any shows like old style ST so writers don't learn how to write them. I don’t know. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul has me hooked in the same way as Star Trek - i.e. I rewatch them (all the way through four and three times respectively). Recently did that with The Americans too. What’s the secret, I wonder? Why doesn’t mod ST do that? I’m sure it could, in theory. Something like the power of a RDM BSG. Is it fear of a failed investment? Fear of not making megabucks? Don’t know. Hope I hang in there re. Life Itself to get to the next generation of ST to see if it can get back up there. To the stars. |
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Post by scenario on May 26, 2024 2:38:38 GMT
There aren't any shows like old style ST so writers don't learn how to write them. I don’t know. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul has me hooked in the same way as Star Trek - i.e. I rewatch them (all the way through four and three times respectively). Recently did that with The Americans too. What’s the secret, I wonder? Why doesn’t mod ST do that? I’m sure it could, in theory. Something like the power of a RDM BSG. Is it fear of a failed investment? Fear of not making megabucks? Don’t know. Hope I hang in there re. Life Itself to get to the next generation of ST to see if it can get back up there. To the stars. Breaking Bad and BCS had the same showrunners. They knew how to pick writers and they had a pretty free hand. They also didn't have many expensive special effects. |
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Post by Yorick on May 27, 2024 19:06:44 GMT
I don’t know. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul has me hooked in the same way as Star Trek - i.e. I rewatch them (all the way through four and three times respectively). Recently did that with The Americans too. What’s the secret, I wonder? Why doesn’t mod ST do that? I’m sure it could, in theory. Something like the power of a RDM BSG. Is it fear of a failed investment? Fear of not making megabucks? Don’t know. Hope I hang in there re. Life Itself to get to the next generation of ST to see if it can get back up there. To the stars. Breaking Bad and BCS had the same showrunners. They knew how to pick writers and they had a pretty free hand. They also didn't have many expensive special effects. Sounds like a good formula for Star Trek. Showrunners that can pick good writers, a free hand and where FX are kept in their place. |
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Post by scenario on May 28, 2024 18:31:44 GMT
The problem is that Star Trek is Science Fiction. To a lot of people SF means Star Wars and Marvel. A lot of people have 30 second attention spans. They get bored if they don't see something shiny every minute or two. Producers want to attract the most eyeballs possible so they demand a lot special effects. Most shows are serialized today so they mindlessly follow the crowd. TNG went syndicated to avoided this mentality. The other earlier shows were on new networks more willing to experiment. They are trying to play it safe.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 30, 2024 17:47:41 GMT
The epilogue was very good. The road to it was typical DSC--getting bogged down in the meaningless (fights and explosions) to get to the kernels of good and the bittersweet bits that suggest what the show could have been if it had consistently dared to...dare.
But, for a show that stumbled more often than not, and so rarely met what the sum of its parts suggested it should be, much less exceed them, that was a pretty satisfying ending. Nothing else could have happened to the tech. The galaxy would have burned itself down trying to control it.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 31, 2024 0:33:17 GMT
The epilogue was very good. The road to it was typical DSC--getting bogged down in the meaningless (fights and explosions) to get to the kernels of good and the bittersweet bits that suggest what the show could have been if it had consistently dared to...dare. But, for a show that stumbled more often than not, and so rarely met what the sum of its parts suggested it should be, much less exceed them, that was a pretty satisfying ending. Nothing else could have happened to the tech. The galaxy would have burned itself down trying to control it. The epilogue was the ONLY part of the 90 minutes I gave even a shadow of a damn about; the rest was just another video game-style plot (find all the clues and solve another stupid puzzle), but with a ripoff of Carl Sagan's "Contact" thrown in for good measure. I'm glad the show ended with that old style Trek optimism, but it just doesn't feel terribly earned. The epilogue felt like it was thrown on once they realized the show was being cancelled. Frankly, I just didn't have the investment with this show that I did with TNG's "All Good Things..." or DS9's "What We Leave Behind." This crew spends so much time going on about their emotional states (SHOW, don't tell), they kinda did that for me. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 2, 2024 1:58:31 GMT
Only now I found time to watch. I had to kept myself out from here and Twitter.
This was a good, lyrical ending for a series that expend way too much time trying to understand what it wanted to do and how to do it. True to form the finale dwell on emotions more than on scifi investigations and speculations. The whole sequence on the Progenitors dimension was solid and heartfelt but it probably underscored too much a kind of mystical aspect that at the end of the day wasted an opportunity to give us a more scientific approach to the notion of "origin", but again DSC remained true to its format, (and, after all, all Trek is FULL of these instances accidental religiosity) so this is more an observation than a critique.
In short. I really like it. Ironically, I like the sum more than the parts. The production was top and even though the characters studies pretty much disappear (saved probably Burnham), the chemistry between them was great.
Good finish. I hope to find time later to post more about Daniels and Zora. I don't think I understood all of it with one watch...
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT