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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 6, 2024 18:29:24 GMT
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Post by Garak Nephew on May 10, 2024 3:31:44 GMT
Intense. Not bad but while very engaging and solid it is less Trekker than last week episode. Overall this season is much better written than last season.
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That last sequence present an ethical conundrum that have the feel of many good Trek episodes of yore. But the delivery was kind of dry and flat. Plus they keep pushing Book into this kind of situations and he is just an unreliable character. What sort of moral weight can a guy that formerly trusted the shady Tarka have on such remarkable decisions? I think the writers know this and just ask from us a leap of faith on the "redemptive" power of everyone.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 10, 2024 3:46:29 GMT
Intense. Not bad but while very engaging and solid it is less Trekker than last week episode. Overall this season is much better written than last season. SPOILERS SPOILERS
That last sequence present an ethical conundrum that have the feel of many good Trek episodes of yore. But the delivery was kind of dry and flat. Plus they keep pushing Book into this kind of situations and he is just an unreliable character. What sort of moral weight can a guy that formerly trusted the shady Tarka have on such remarkable decisions? I think the writers know this and just ask from us a leap of faith on the "redemptive" power of everyone.
It's a good episode overall, and I disliked Moll here less than I have over the course of the season. I have to say that, I didn't see the end as much of an ethical quandary. Everything T'rina said is true, but, at the end of the day, Moll was of sound mind, and WANTED to go. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 10, 2024 14:16:24 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting REALLY tired of the characters being given hard deadlines ("You have ONE hour") and then they just stop and navel gaze for most of it. They literally stop, drop everything and just TALK when they have only minutes left or whatever. I find myself almost yelling at the iPad for the characters to MOVE THEIR BUTTS. I get the feeling these season-long arcs could've been two-part episodes of TNG, DS9 or VGR without all the padding and talking about personal issues during a crisis. I
Also getting really tired of Book and his "You're the only family I've got" nonsense; Moll is little more than his late mentor's kid; not a sister, or a cousin, or whatever. He keeps repeating "You're the closest to family I've got!" only to have Moll prove him wrong each time. Book? She's just not that into you, okay? The whole 'She's family' thing is never going to happen. Move on...
I have to say, I won't be terribly sad when DSC finally ends; it's getting stale for me.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 10, 2024 18:58:55 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting REALLY tired of the characters being given hard deadlines ("You have ONE hour") and then they just stop and navel gaze for most of it. They literally stop, drop everything and just TALK when they have only minutes left or whatever. I find myself almost yelling at the iPad for the characters to MOVE THEIR BUTTS. I get the feeling these season-long arcs could've been two-part episodes of TNG, DS9 or VGR without all the padding and talking about personal issues during a crisis. I Also getting really tired of Book and his "You're the only family I've got" nonsense; Moll is little more than his late mentor's kid; not a sister, or a cousin, or whatever. He keeps repeating "You're the closest to family I've got!" only to have Moll prove him wrong each time. Book? She's just not that into you, okay? The whole 'She's family' thing is never going to happen. Move on... I have to say, I won't be terribly sad when DSC finally ends; it's getting stale for me. Have you ever watched "Frasier?" I assume you have, but, in case you haven't, and for anyone else that hasn't; Frasier's brother Niles spent years swooning over and infatuated by their father's home health care person, Daphne. This was a secret to no one but Daphne After years of double entendres and potential opportunities that went nowhere, Daphne found out. Then, after a bit of a roller coaster, she and Niles began to embark on a relationship, which is pretty rocky at the start to the point where Niles is at a loss and perhaps wondering if it's a case of having not being so pleasing a thing as wanting, and wondering if they have a future at all. Now, I don't specifically remember everything around this line, but I remember the line. I remember it because it's simple, it's elegant, it has depth and its exactly on point. It's stuck with me and I have seen it a lot of other places, real and fictional, since. (Crosstalk) Niles: I've been in love with her for years, I just never imagined it would be this hard. Frasier: No, Niles, that's not true Niles: (shocked Pikachu face) Frasier: You haven't been in love WITH her, you've been in love AT her. The reality of Daphne was clashing hard with the Goddess of Empathy vision Niles had created. That's what's happening and that's what's annoying me. He has no relationship WITH her. He has a relationship AT her. Someone needs to take him aside and explain this. Hard. They only have one thing in common, and that's Book III. And, she has TONS of reason to hate his guts, and it doesn't matter how good III's reasons were for what was done. His vision of being able to have some sort of roots with this person is interfering with the potential for Book to be helpful here. It's not tons different from some stranger walking up to her, utterly convinced that they have a future together if she could only open her eyes. As for the episodes? I don't hate most what they've stretched it out with this season as opposed to some others, but this whole thing could have been told in 5 episodes. Tops. I mean, I compare these and, "The Homecoming/Circle/Siege" did PLENTY in 2:15, and not a wasted frame in it. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on May 10, 2024 19:46:40 GMT
I am not upset with DSC final season and I am enjoying it quite a bit. But my only problems with it are link to Book. I think he is a sort of stain on the story. Here is my take: at the end of last season Book died and he should have stayed dead. I mean, by all sense and purpose Book is dead, by associating himself with Tarka the character became unviable. The writers keep trying to bring it back from the dead but Book remains a zombie, and just wanders around the script casting it meaninglessness everywhere.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 10, 2024 19:56:23 GMT
I am not upset with DSC final season and I am enjoying it quite a bit. But my only problems with it are link to Book. I think he is a sort of stain on the story. Here is my take: at the end of last season Book died and he should have stayed dead. I mean, by all sense and purpose Book is dead, by associating himself with Tarka the character became unviable. The writers keep trying to bring it back from the dead but Book remains a zombie, and just wanders around the script casting it meaninglessness everywhere. If he wants to be helpful, BE helpful. You walk up, and, "What can I do?" You don't walk up and decide what you're going to do. You don't do that because it may not actually be helpful. You also don't do that when your main reason for doing it is to help yourself, because that can blind you to whether or not you are being helpful here. Book is into this for his own feelings and his own desire to salvage something from his old, pretty literally, exploded life. He doesn't care if he's helping the situation as much he cares about fixing his own damage. And Burnham is in the way of that. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on May 12, 2024 0:38:55 GMT
Book is into this for his own feelings and his own desire to salvage something from his old, pretty literally, exploded life. He doesn't care if he's helping the situation as much he cares about fixing his own damage. Yes, this sums-up pretty well Booker psychological profile. That's why, in my opinion, he can be a toxic presence. He is certainly a good characterization of a good guy, but he seems to not be aware of how deep his wounds go. |
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Post by scenario on May 13, 2024 22:49:57 GMT
Book is a classic stalker.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 15, 2024 2:09:42 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting REALLY tired of the characters being given hard deadlines ("You have ONE hour") and then they just stop and navel gaze for most of it. They literally stop, drop everything and just TALK when they have only minutes left or whatever. I find myself almost yelling at the iPad for the characters to MOVE THEIR BUTTS. I get the feeling these season-long arcs could've been two-part episodes of TNG, DS9 or VGR without all the padding and talking about personal issues during a crisis. I Also getting really tired of Book and his "You're the only family I've got" nonsense; Moll is little more than his late mentor's kid; not a sister, or a cousin, or whatever. He keeps repeating "You're the closest to family I've got!" only to have Moll prove him wrong each time. Book? She's just not that into you, okay? The whole 'She's family' thing is never going to happen. Move on... I have to say, I won't be terribly sad when DSC finally ends; it's getting stale for me. Have you ever watched "Frasier?" I assume you have, but, in case you haven't, and for anyone else that hasn't; Frasier's brother Niles spent years swooning over and infatuated by their father's home health care person, Daphne. This was a secret to no one but Daphne After years of double entendres and potential opportunities that went nowhere, Daphne found out. Then, after a bit of a roller coaster, she and Niles began to embark on a relationship, which is pretty rocky at the start to the point where Niles is at a loss and perhaps wondering if it's a case of having not being so pleasing a thing as wanting, and wondering if they have a future at all. Now, I don't specifically remember everything around this line, but I remember the line. I remember it because it's simple, it's elegant, it has depth and its exactly on point. It's stuck with me and I have seen it a lot of other places, real and fictional, since. (Crosstalk) Niles: I've been in love with her for years, I just never imagined it would be this hard. Frasier: No, Niles, that's not true Niles: (shocked Pikachu face) Frasier: You haven't been in love WITH her, you've been in love AT her. The reality of Daphne was clashing hard with the Goddess of Empathy vision Niles had created. That's what's happening and that's what's annoying me. He has no relationship WITH her. He has a relationship AT her. Someone needs to take him aside and explain this. Hard. They only have one thing in common, and that's Book III. And, she has TONS of reason to hate his guts, and it doesn't matter how good III's reasons were for what was done. His vision of being able to have some sort of roots with this person is interfering with the potential for Book to be helpful here. It's not tons different from some stranger walking up to her, utterly convinced that they have a future together if she could only open her eyes. As for the episodes? I don't hate most what they've stretched it out with this season as opposed to some others, but this whole thing could have been told in 5 episodes. Tops. I mean, I compare these and, "The Homecoming/Circle/Siege" did PLENTY in 2:15, and not a wasted frame in it. That's EXACTLY right; both the Frasier analogy and the comment on the DS9 arc; they could've nailed the Moll/L'ak story in 3-5 episodes at most. Frankly, I'm a little bored with DSC now, and I'm perfectly okay with it ending at this point. |
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT