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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 30, 2024 22:05:55 GMT
Here.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 4, 2024 20:17:28 GMT
I didn't disliked it, an enjoyable adventure yarn with top production value. Yet I have grown tire of Discovery, after 5 seasons the characters still feel half-cook, like we should know more about their inner lives, but, probably save Michael, all the rest seem like hollow shelves. Like projects waiting to be finished. Tilly is kind of standing above but just barely, even Culber and Stamets seem like semblance of their selves, like standees of something.
SPOILERS SPOILERS
I'll say this. The episode do feels like a Trek episode: intriguing, soulful, hopeful, speculative, well paced. That brief scene with Tal and Stamets brainstorming solutions for their predicament was reminiscent of Data and Geordi technobabbling their way out of some problem. Some might question the soundness of this jargon but I am appreciative of it, very trekkie.
Opinion: I do not like the scifi premise of the story (so far). The notion that life originated by deliberate intervention from an advance civilization on the distant past (a form of panspermia), while used on Trek on the past, suggest guidance and design, and is difficult to reconcile with evolution. But just my opinion.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 4, 2024 20:24:50 GMT
I think, for the most part, this show has always been: The Michael Show. Others get spotlights now and then, but, after 5 years, it's pretty clear that most of the rest of the cast exists to react to her directly or indirectly. They don't really have lives outside of that.
But this is Trek so, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. TNG was Picard, Data, and Worf. I wouldn't mind a wider circle for DSC, but it remains what it always was.
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Post by scenario on Apr 6, 2024 4:39:34 GMT
I've decided to take Disc for what it is. The parts have always felt greater then the whole. In general, I don't like pew pew episodes. But that is what Disc is. It felt like Star Trek and didn't have any what the heck moments for me. It didn't feel like they jammed to much in. No massive info dumps of technobabble. It felt cleaner.
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Post by Yorick on Apr 6, 2024 8:52:19 GMT
Interesting. Paramount Australia has decided to screen episodes a week later than elsewhere. From this Thursday.That means all spoilers will be blown in Internet thumbnails. If the first episode isn’t something pretty encouraging, this might be the additional dry grass reed that caused permanent spinal damage to the dromedary.
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 6, 2024 17:09:13 GMT
I think, for the most part, this show has always been: The Michael Show. Others get spotlights now and then, but, after 5 years, it's pretty clear that most of the rest of the cast exists to react to her directly or indirectly. They don't really have lives outside of that. But this is Trek so, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. TNG was Picard, Data, and Worf. I wouldn't mind a wider circle for DSC, but it remains what it always was. It could have been the Saru show and I would have preferred that. |
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Post by Yorick on Apr 11, 2024 7:57:08 GMT
Yeah, nah, as they say in my country. It’s not why I watch Star Trek. I’ll try a couple more but I think I might be out. I like Saru, though. Good character. Relatable. If I stay it’ll be to see his journey out. The actors are good, some nice music. Good effects. But without mature writing, it’s much ado about nothing. So it goes.
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Post by scenario on Apr 11, 2024 15:03:20 GMT
Yeah, nah, as they say in my country. It’s not why I watch Star Trek. I’ll try a couple more but I think I might be out. I like Saru, though. Good character. Relatable. If I stay it’ll be to see his journey out. The actors are good, some nice music. Good effects. But without mature writing, it’s much ado about nothing. So it goes. I think they wrote themselves into a corner. If you do something 4 years in a row, you can't totally change everything. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 11, 2024 19:34:59 GMT
There's truth in that. They, for good or ill, have a formula.
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Post by Yorick on Apr 11, 2024 20:46:42 GMT
I wonder how you do Star Trek in the mid 2020s. The original was at least partially conceived as a vehicle to skirt censorship, as well as a way to tell “adult” science fiction stories in the era of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and Lost in Space. Those constraints are long gone. Tight budgets helped too: fill minds not screens with wonder. How does that work now? Sure, you can hire the best SF writers to pitch stories, but boldness is harder in a televisual landscape without restraint. It would take a high-powered writer producer on the order of Vince Gilligan shepherding character arcs through stories by Stephen Baxter, Margaret Atwood or Liu Cixin. It should be top of the line prestige adventure drama. But that’s just me.
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Post by scenario on Apr 11, 2024 20:56:01 GMT
Prestige dramas tend to have small audiences with some exceptions. Star Trek is expensive to produce.
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Post by Yorick on Apr 12, 2024 20:42:52 GMT
Prestige dramas tend to have small audiences with some exceptions. Star Trek is expensive to produce. Indeed. Smaller budgets helped the original. I wonder what Better Call Saul cost to make? Lots of location shots. I guess if the motivation for lower common denominator writing is to justify production cost, the cart may be before the horse. On the other hand Game of Yhrones at its height was both expensive and prestige drama, so both can be had. The original series had legs: it just keeps on going. Every decade a new platform comes around - syndication, VHS, DVD, streaming - and there it is, in the lineup. There are people who still make original series episodes via fan films. I guess what I hope for is a Star Trek that does this again. Discovery seems a long way from that. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 12, 2024 21:06:37 GMT
Prestige dramas tend to have small audiences with some exceptions. Star Trek is expensive to produce. Indeed. Smaller budgets helped the original. I wonder what Better Call Saul cost to make? Lots of location shots. I guess if the motivation for lower common denominator writing is to justify production cost, the cart may be before the horse. On the other hand Game of Yhrones at its height was both expensive and prestige drama, so both can be had. The original series had legs: it just keeps on going. Every decade a new platform comes around - syndication, VHS, DVD, streaming - and there it is, in the lineup. There are people who still make original series episodes via fan films. I guess what I hope for is a Star Trek that does this again. Discovery seems a long way from that. But GoT was a prestige drama that got a number of viewers that networks would kill for in this day and age. Star Trek was rarely that. |
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Post by Yorick on Apr 13, 2024 22:25:11 GMT
Indeed. Smaller budgets helped the original. I wonder what Better Call Saul cost to make? Lots of location shots. I guess if the motivation for lower common denominator writing is to justify production cost, the cart may be before the horse. On the other hand Game of Yhrones at its height was both expensive and prestige drama, so both can be had. The original series had legs: it just keeps on going. Every decade a new platform comes around - syndication, VHS, DVD, streaming - and there it is, in the lineup. There are people who still make original series episodes via fan films. I guess what I hope for is a Star Trek that does this again. Discovery seems a long way from that. But GoT was a prestige drama that got a number of viewers that networks would kill for in this day and age. Star Trek was rarely that. Well, maybe. It’s a TV General Relativity. If you look just at the here/now dimension, you’re spot on throughout Star Trek’s history, but if you step into the longitudinal dimension, what show has a bigger audience than, say, the original series? Imagine: time ratings! Of course, it’s silly and naive to expect that kind of long-term think to exist in the cut-throat world of show business, but the precedent is there. I guess I want Star Trek made in the utopian world of Star Trek. Woe is me! |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 14, 2024 5:50:31 GMT
It's a lovely thought, but that, sadly, is not the world in which Star Trek in 2024 tries to get eyes.
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT