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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 30, 2024 19:40:52 GMT
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Post by Yorick on Jan 31, 2024 8:02:32 GMT
I miss the days when news like this would have got me excited. Cast is full of talent, though.
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Post by MrPicard on Jan 31, 2024 15:19:52 GMT
I think they got the "fan favorite" thing backwards. EMPEROR Georgiou is not a fan favorite. CAPTAIN Georgiou was the fan favorite. But then, an article like that has to make things sound good SOMEHOW, I guess.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jan 31, 2024 15:43:04 GMT
I think it'll be fine.
Probably.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 31, 2024 19:17:25 GMT
I think they got the "fan favorite" thing backwards. EMPEROR Georgiou is not a fan favorite. CAPTAIN Georgiou was the fan favorite. But then, an article like that has to make things sound good SOMEHOW, I guess. I think the real answer is that Michelle Yeoh is a fan fav. She's awesome. But I do think Emperor Georgiou is a fan fav for newer and younger fans. She was raised as an evil person who now has to ride the line between being good and bad. There's a snarkiness to her that resonates with younger folks. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jan 31, 2024 19:18:19 GMT
I miss the days when news like this would have got me excited. Cast is full of talent, though. I hear you. I'm just not interested. I doubt I'll re-up with P+ for this. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 1, 2024 19:34:22 GMT
I will watch it and will probably enjoy it; Yeoh is a great actress and she add great energy and pathos to her roles. But the fact remains that I don't like idea of S31 on Star Trek, it might suit other universes nicely (like Babylon 5 or BSG) but on Trek it get stuck on a permanent "human nature" and "corruption" loop that in my humble opinion is very much non-Trek. It is a plot gimmick to please the gritty, reality-and-politics-are-hard crowd. I did like how DS9 handled Section 31, though, and I thought that should had been as far Trek goes with it; it gave us aspects of Bashir that added unexpected dimensions to that character, AND it gave us a S31 that appeared to be somewhat contained. But current Trek S31 seem to be a sort of an all powerful Black-Ops, suggesting that Starfleet and the Federation are stained from the very start. This S31 have Picard S3 Daystrom Station stench all over it. Humans are doomed if they don't embrace joyfully the darker forces within them. In real life there might be some point to that, some real-politic angle, but Trek is not about that.
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 5, 2024 14:35:10 GMT
I love Yeoh, so I'll watch it. Inevitably, I'll watch it.
Not sure I care about this concept at all though... which does also mean it has the possibility of surprising me if they do something off-the-wall with the whole character of Giorgiou. Maybe do an Everything, Everywhere All at Once on her, collapse a bunch of parallel-universe aspects of the character into one so that we get something resembling the original Giorgiou back? That might be nice.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 5, 2024 16:15:20 GMT
I love Yeoh, so I'll watch it. Inevitably, I'll watch it. Not sure I care about this concept at all though... which does also mean it has the possibility of surprising me if they do something off-the-wall with the whole character of Giorgiou. Maybe do an Everything, Everywhere All at Once on her, collapse a bunch of parallel-universe aspects of the character into one so that we get something resembling the original Giorgiou back? That might be nice. That, or, you know, do some legit spy stuff. Even done with the barest of competency it's usually entertaining. No need to bog down in the "evil" of S31. Show me why they're necessary. I mean, throughout their inception, they've, you know, done things, but no one has yet to truly show why the Federation needs them on that wall. Or just show me a cool little intergalactic spy yarn. |
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Post by scenario on Feb 5, 2024 21:29:31 GMT
I love Yeoh, so I'll watch it. Inevitably, I'll watch it. Not sure I care about this concept at all though... which does also mean it has the possibility of surprising me if they do something off-the-wall with the whole character of Giorgiou. Maybe do an Everything, Everywhere All at Once on her, collapse a bunch of parallel-universe aspects of the character into one so that we get something resembling the original Giorgiou back? That might be nice. That, or, you know, do some legit spy stuff. Even done with the barest of competency it's usually entertaining. No need to bog down in the "evil" of S31. Show me why they're necessary. I mean, throughout their inception, they've, you know, done things, but no one has yet to truly show why the Federation needs them on that wall. Or just show me a cool little intergalactic spy yarn. When your surrounded by people eager to kill you having good spies is a good idea. I've always had two views of ST. Inside the Federations is as near a utopia as people can have. But outside is a dangerous universe. S31 deals with outsiders who can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity or remorse or fear. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 5, 2024 23:05:04 GMT
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 6, 2024 0:01:06 GMT
Garak was the perfect spy because, was he a spy?  |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 6, 2024 0:19:41 GMT
Garak was the perfect spy because, was he a spy? He was a plain, simple tailor. He said so himself. He just...had eclectic hobbies. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 6, 2024 23:23:46 GMT
I really wish Star Trek would forget about section 31. Its so so un-star trek of a concept anyway. I think Star Trek loses its identity with Section 31. I rather they save their money for a Feature Film. Or give Strange new Worlds more episodes a season.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 7, 2024 3:49:35 GMT
I really wish Star Trek would forget about section 31. Its so so un-star trek of a concept anyway. I think Star Trek loses its identity with Section 31. I rather they save their money for a Feature Film. Or give Strange new Worlds more episodes a season. I couldn't agree more! I can see the appeal it might have and a sort of dramatic weight it adds to scrip writers that are ask to make the story move faster, but S31 is just not right for the kind of idealistic, aspirational Star Trek I have in my head. If Trek stories need some kind of secretive Agency, there's a great option on trek lore: Department of Temporal Investigations. Bring back Lucsly and Dulmur now!! Make them a little more gritty, if the current sensibilities demands it, but not too much, I love them as they are, with their soft campiness in full display... S31 is just, ugh, like screaming "ahh, the sordidness of interstellar politics make us so dark and rotten" It bored me to death. |
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Post by RobinBland on Feb 8, 2024 0:14:56 GMT
What if they brought back Section 31 and Garak turned out to be the boss, though?
"Bringing the art of good tailoring to the galaxy!"
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Feb 8, 2024 0:16:48 GMT
What if they brought back Section 31 and Garak turned out to be the boss, though? "Bringing the art of good tailoring to the galaxy!" Perfection, man.  |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Feb 8, 2024 15:52:24 GMT
What if they brought back Section 31 and Garak turned out to be the boss, though? "Bringing the art of good tailoring to the galaxy!" 👍 All my objections would be gone then! 😊 Imagine a cameo by Robinson on this film! I would cry. There's a timeline issue, but this is Trek after all and time is just a minor hurdle to jump. |
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Feb 8, 2024 22:15:03 GMT
Need to include a scene of Temporal Investigations and Section 31 arguing who has the higher authority....
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 8, 2024 3:01:50 GMT
Whoever this writer is, he scoop my most inner thoughts on S31 on put it out. I wholeheartedly agree! Forget Section 31, we Trekkers deserved better.
"Section 31 [on DS9] stood as a reminder of what Starfleet would become if they ultimately failed." Nailed it! |
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Post by The Founder on Jun 25, 2024 5:50:40 GMT
What will be interesting about this is ... the show is going to have to make an awkward choice. Either Georgiou is redeemed (which is as awkward as Anakin getting into Jedi Heaven after all the evil he's done) or she won't ever really change and be the evil character she is from the MU.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 25, 2024 20:53:29 GMT
What will be interesting about this is ... the show is going to have to make an awkward choice. Either Georgiou is redeemed (which is as awkward as Anakin getting into Jedi Heaven after all the evil he's done) or she won't ever really change and be the evil character she is from the MU. Not quite, I think. Georgiou? She saw the light before she went back. If she dedicated the rest of her life to righting the wrongs, then, yeah, I think she has some shot at redemption. Vader ultimately only did one thing right. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 29, 2024 13:23:14 GMT
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 29, 2024 13:28:34 GMT
The trailer is here and I hate it. It is like a mixed of Riddick with suicide squad, two crappy subgenres of the already crappy superhero category. Not my kind of Trek. I will watch just because of discipline when it comes to everything with Trek name on it.
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Post by MrPicard on Jul 29, 2024 13:38:51 GMT
I love (un)intentionally bad B-movies with plots that are so bad that it's good. This looks exactly like such a movie. Which means... the Trekkies hate it (can't blame them, if I liked Star Trek as a franchise I'd probably be more than just annoyed by this) and I love it. lol
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 29, 2024 15:13:24 GMT
I love (un)intentionally bad B-movies with plots that are so bad that it's good. This looks exactly like such a movie. Which means... the Trekkies hate it (can't blame them, if I liked Star Trek as a franchise I'd probably be more than just annoyed by this) and I love it. lol This is true. I am already grumpy, crossing my arms like an annoyed kid.  |
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Post by scenario on Jul 29, 2024 15:38:40 GMT
I doubt it will be good. It may be camp fun. In general, I don't like action movies though.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 30, 2024 2:00:12 GMT
I love (un)intentionally bad B-movies with plots that are so bad that it's good. This looks exactly like such a movie. Which means... the Trekkies hate it (can't blame them, if I liked Star Trek as a franchise I'd probably be more than just annoyed by this) and I love it. lol I'm worried about the tone and by that I mean, it looks Suicide Squad campy. If so? LET IT BE SUICIDE SQUAD CAMPY. Let it be silly and kinda "Hulk smash!" Embrace that and it could be a weightless but fun couple of hours. Don't try to be super serious about the plot and the stakes and then have these diversions into chuckle-worthy camp. |
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Post by MrPicard on Jul 30, 2024 13:11:58 GMT
If it's like TNG's first season when it comes to camp (today's version of camp, of course), I'm in.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jul 30, 2024 21:42:44 GMT
If it's like TNG's first season when it comes to camp (today's version of camp, of course), I'm in. I doubt it, only because much of TNG S1's camp was unintentional, which is usually the best kind. But, I hope I'm wrong, because I love Michelle Yeoh; ever since "Tomorrow Never Dies." |
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT