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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 29, 2023 1:33:48 GMT
Here.
This is going to be a love it or hate it episode, with little room for anything in between.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 29, 2023 14:08:17 GMT
Yes. I remain hopeful.  The trailer give me a sort of "The Elysian Kingdom" vibes. Not thematically but like a wild interruption of normal business to do something different. We'll see. |
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 29, 2023 16:31:42 GMT
This is cringe, SNW is worse than Discovery. This is not Star Trek, this is damn Hannah Montana.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 29, 2023 17:21:57 GMT
It is not cringe inducing to me... But it might be, we don't know. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think that SNW creators understand that Trek is a template and that it could be many things, you just need to pay attention to the ideas and the characters. Are Bashir and O'Brien viking holodeck adventures cringe? To some they might be, to me they are not and they are rooted on Trek character playfulness.
We just need to wait, watch and judge.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 29, 2023 18:09:26 GMT
I think there's merit in just watching the performances....that is if the actors on screen are really singing.
I realize Trek is trying in its own way to reach the masses. While I'm not the target for this particular type of ep, we've seen this idea in Picard S2. Also along with "I'm not the target" a show like Glee was quite a pop hit.
Can Star Trek ever be "cool"? SNW is trying to find out.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 29, 2023 18:31:00 GMT
If they're all singing it'll earn them some respect from me regardless. It's a weird concept, but I don't hate the IDEA.
It will either be a surprising bit of fun or a complete wreck, but, even if it's the latter, I don't think I can fault them for trying something different.
And that's one of the greater benefits of episodic television: they can move on. In serialized TV they're stuck trying to drag the dead horse of a bad idea for 10 or more episodes (See: Picard, Seasons 2 and 3)
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 29, 2023 19:24:19 GMT
We all survived DS9's Move Along Home. We'll be ok. HAHA!!!
"Allamaraine, count to four..."
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 29, 2023 19:31:12 GMT
We all survived DS9's Move Along Home. We'll be ok. HAHA!!! "Allamaraine, count to four..." This episode is classic, SNW episodes are not. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 29, 2023 19:43:44 GMT
We all survived DS9's Move Along Home. We'll be ok. HAHA!!! "Allamaraine, count to four..." This episode is classic, SNW episodes are not. Now, now, I kind of like "Move Along Home." I certainly don't hate it as so many others seem to. But the only thing that makes that trippy goof of an episode "classic" is that it's 30 years old. There's nothing in it that...endures. It's just not that good Honestly, out of what will be 20 episodes after the second season is done, I think there are already at least two episodes that will achieve "classic" status ("Strange New Worlds" and "Ad Astra...") I already find myself with a fondness for "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" as its own take on "City on the Edge of Forever" and it has some charm. I don't know how "Under the Cloak of War" will shake out in 20 years, but at least there's a lot of meat on that bone to talk about. That's a pretty good record already. |
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 29, 2023 20:32:34 GMT
This is classic too. What do you think about that?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 29, 2023 20:41:13 GMT
One of the best bits of Trek made, actually.
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 30, 2023 18:05:35 GMT
Sometimes I miss the days when we didn't have any info about anything at our fingertips and just accepted an ep for what it is.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 30, 2023 18:21:59 GMT
Sometimes I miss the days when we didn't have any info about anything at our fingertips and just accepted an ep for what it is. The Internet does sometimes give a person a ton of baggage to take with them into a movie or a TV show. |
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Post by scenario on Jul 30, 2023 19:23:00 GMT
Sometimes musicals are terrible and sometimes their great. on the show Buffy, the episode once more with feelings is great. The tradition in musicals is that people singing have no filter. They sing what they feel. That can be interesting.
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Post by Yorick on Jul 30, 2023 19:46:27 GMT
I’m not one for musicals, with the rarest of rare exceptions. Best for me to use a wormhole to bypass the anomaly. See you all on the other side.
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Post by ashleytinger on Jul 31, 2023 23:37:28 GMT
Buffy's musical episode was totally out of left field and worked. It was a demon in that case doing it.
Here, it's some kind of space phenomenon triggered by them sending music into it. We've had much stranger episodes with people acting out of character due to weird space phenomena in other shows, this just happens to be music.
I'm giving it a shot.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 31, 2023 23:43:31 GMT
My take on musicals is very subjective, but all the better because they are real. I know close to nothing of the genealogy of the genre, but every time my friends and wife manage to take me to one, I really enjoy them. I own Cabaret on DVD, and the couple of time I had watch it I see nuanced and complexity. Musicals are nothing else than tragic tales decorated with the high of human achievement, music, instrumental and choral. That's it! They are simple. That's why they are so beautiful, because we are seeing what we really are, feral.
With time I have come to respect musicals. Chicago and La La Land are also great movies. If Trek is going musicals way, I say it was about time. I just hope they know what they are attempting. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 2, 2023 23:06:02 GMT
On the eve on what appears to be a divisive ep, my list of 'wants' as follows:
1. That at least the events have a scifi reason for happening. Or maybe M'benga is having a nervous breakdown due to the events of the last ep. Something that has some plausible explanation within the universe. I enjoyed the first season ep that had Uhura at the center humming melodies to crack the alien system. That was cool. Nice melodies and she had a lovely voice. They all did. If they just launch into song and dance just to have that type of ep I'll be disappointed.
2. That the music be good. Please please please. For me, musicals tend to have awful music, barely musical. Just very 'singsongy' without good melodies. There are exceptions like Grease and Annie. I loved Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark, the Broadway play. That was fantastic...but then again it's rock since it's U2 composing the music. Not quite Broadway musical music.
3. That the actors are actually singing, not dubbed.
Crossing fingers.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Aug 3, 2023 0:12:32 GMT
Here. This is going to be a love it or hate it episode, with little room for anything in between. I'm fine with the musical genre; I loved 2021's "West Side Story," and I've seen "Fiddler on the Roof" and "Jesus Christ Superstar!" several times live. Also enjoyed "Rocky Horror Picture Show" and Buffy's "Once More With Feeling", too. My only rub: musicals exist in a very heightened reality, or in Buffy's case, a universe where demons, angels and vampires exist. Star Trek, however, is a very specific and carefully-constructed universe, and I'm just afraid too much 4th-wall breaking (see: "Lower Decks", which I still loathe) will obliterate that house of cards. |
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Post by scenario on Aug 3, 2023 0:19:39 GMT
The science in Star Trek is all made up anyway. Just make the McGuffin sound reasonable. I predict secrets come out.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Aug 3, 2023 3:25:46 GMT
The science in Star Trek is all made up anyway. Just make the McGuffin sound reasonable. I predict secrets come out. A McGuffin that makes people spontaneously sing and dance in lockstep is a tall order. It can work in "Buffy" where you can explain it as a demon or some such thing, but in Star Trek, it runs the risk of being too literal and clumsy. Anyway, we'll find out tomorrow, right? |
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Post by ashleytinger on Aug 3, 2023 11:26:06 GMT
Ok, so in the best tradition of the Buffy Musical, I loved this. They found a fun sci-fi way to incorporate it and solved it in a very Star Trek way and the songs were personal and very much hinged on the characters and events over the last two seasons.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Aug 3, 2023 14:38:41 GMT
I sort of expected to be on the 'hate it' side of this, but it was trippy and experimental and a little crazy and really pretty good.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Aug 3, 2023 14:55:17 GMT
That was awesome! This is going to be shelved under brilliant Trek oddities like "Tribbles" (TOS), "Qpid"(TNG), "Badda-Bing" (DS9), "Brides of Chaotica" (VOY), etc. Wild and fun.
SPOILERS
SPOLERS
The solos were really nicely tuned-in to every character. Uhura was great. Una's solo advising La'an brought tears to my eyes. The brief TOS tunes right about the end are right on cue. Meticulous edition and sound. I anticipate this episode will be nominated to an Emmy.
I am not really good at telling this but, do you think the actors were singing with their own voices? Spock was kind of off-sounding.
As I said on my previous post on this thread, often musicals use joy to hide life harsh realities. The emotional core of this episode is La'an getting heartbroken and the lesson this brings; also Chapel and Spock apparent impending breaking up really hit me harder than expected.
This season is a sharp knife cutting through Trek lore with great precision.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Aug 3, 2023 15:30:42 GMT
I sort of expected to be on the 'hate it' side of this, but it was trippy and experimental and a little crazy and really pretty good. I'm gratefully eating crow this morning. I really enjoyed it. It reminded me of TOS' "The Naked Time" but with catchy music and some excellent character advancement (with none of that "I'll Take You Home, Kathleen" crap). I daresay this was one of the more fun episodes of the year. Anyway, my COVID-addled brain and I have just started a review, so I'll have a more detailed summation in a day or so. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 3, 2023 18:54:17 GMT
On the eve on what appears to be a divisive ep, my list of 'wants' as follows: 1. That at least the events have a scifi reason for happening. Or maybe M'benga is having a nervous breakdown due to the events of the last ep. Something that has some plausible explanation within the universe. I enjoyed the first season ep that had Uhura at the center humming melodies to crack the alien system. That was cool. Nice melodies and she had a lovely voice. They all did. If they just launch into song and dance just to have that type of ep I'll be disappointed. 2. That the music be good. Please please please. For me, musicals tend to have awful music, barely musical. Just very 'singsongy' without good melodies. There are exceptions like Grease and Annie. I loved Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark, the Broadway play. That was fantastic...but then again it's rock since it's U2 composing the music. Not quite Broadway musical music. 3. That the actors are actually singing, not dubbed. Crossing fingers. Ok. I'm quoting myself. 1. I'm glad there was an 'in-universe' scifi explanation for the phenomenon. Check. 2. Somewhat check. As with most musicals, the initial songs are better and somewhat peter out afterwards. I didn't like the Chapel bar song and scene. With somewhat tongue firmly planted in cheek I am disappointed that there wasn't a Bollywood AND(yes...AND) some Jpop/Kpop style of songs. Not that I particularly like those either but it would have given the ep a little more diversity musically. And Kpop is really popular right now. A missed opportunity. The opening number is out of this damn world. Loved it. Rewatched that one like 3 times after I was done with the ep. Didn't care for the grand finale probably because it was very much cliche Broadway musical. I wished they could have changed that up a bit. It was somewhat cringy for me...but hey...it's a musical. That one brief scene with " the other ship" was hilarious. I'm not sure how they didn't avoid all out war at that point. LOL!!!! 3. It does seem like most actors sang. I'm not sure about Chapel in her number. I need to cap this: DO NOT SKIP INTRO!!! Suffice to say this is not going to be a 'most hated' ep or anything like that. I just can't see that. It was well done even when I don't enjoy musicals. As an aside, for a moment it was uncomfortable to see M'benga after last week's ep. I'm just not sure how that heaviness carries through the rest of the eps/character arc. Also, how the hell is the Farragut always around the Enterprise for Kirk to show up so much? Don't they have anything else to do??!!! I'm not against the character or actor but it just feels like it somewhat robs from the SNW cast. Or at least from this current Enterprise's crewmembers. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Aug 3, 2023 20:08:25 GMT
It seems like SNW is going with either a bigger fleet with a lot more ships, they've shrunk the size of the Federation a bit and going with the small model, or all these ships are just clustered around there for the time being while they work out some things, like the Gorn.
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Post by nombrecomun on Aug 3, 2023 23:04:19 GMT
I anticipate this episode will be nominated to an Emmy.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Then again, Hollywood displays some type of antipathy towards Trek. Not that Trek is fantastic acting, stories, etc....but Patrick Stewart should have been nominated once in a while for his role in TNG. |
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Post by scenario on Aug 4, 2023 0:36:54 GMT
I liked it but then again I like musicals.
Uhura fed in a traditional musical into the improbability field as a seed, therefore the musical it generated must be a traditional musical.
I wonder if they can turn this into an improbability drive so they can cross interstellar distances in a mere nothingth of a second, without "tedious mucking about in hyperspace."
The Enterprise and the Farragut patrol the same area. I don't like it but it seems like the Enterprise in this era is exploring closer to home. If they are also a military ship it makes sense there would be more than one in the area.
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Post by BeastBoy on Aug 4, 2023 0:57:41 GMT
Hey guys, what do you think about that?
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The trailer give me a sort of "The Elysian Kingdom" vibes. Not thematically but like a wild interruption of normal business to do something different. We'll see.
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT