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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 17, 2023 17:12:58 GMT
Here.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 20, 2023 13:36:47 GMT
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It was OK, but just OK. Kind of bland and it felt all over the place; as if they wanted to cover ALL the relationships and affections developing or that had develop on the recent pass (Hemmer) and the story ended up like too dispersed, diluted. At the end of the season this episode would probably end up at a lower spot of the ten, will see.
I am annoyed by the frequent appearance of Kirk, it is distracting. All trekkers already are well aware that he is the greatest human being to ever roam the galaxy (insert sarcastic smirk here), it is constantly hammer into Trek consciousness by fans and lore. If this character have being so effective at inserting himself as a legend on Trek mythos, isn't it counterproductive to bring him back on a show that can stand on its own and should stand on it's own? I think it is a mistake. Let SNW stand by itself, on Pike effectiveness, on Chapel dramatic glue, on Ortegas charisma, on Spock hybrid ambivalence, on M'Benga uncanny insight into souls, and so on; don't let this show be pulled into Kirk legendary black hole. Yet that last shot of Uhura, Spock and Kirk sitting on a table was evocative and heartfelt. Let's leave it there; let the force of past images (TOS) secretly informed the present and do not make them stale by repetitions. Do not fall into the trap of nostalgia like PIC did!!!
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Post by ashleytinger on Jul 20, 2023 13:51:21 GMT
I really liked this episode but it's not their best this season and that's not due to the cast. The cast are fantastic. It's from having watched this sceneraio play out in every iteration of Trek since it's inception, the Alien we can't see and we're killing them episode. I guessed it about 5 minutes in.
That being said, it has that SNW play on it that still works and is entertaining. Wesley's Kirk has grown on me and that little toss out to last week's episode on Spock and Sam was *chef's kiss*
8/10
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Post by scenario on Jul 21, 2023 1:02:50 GMT
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It was OK, but just OK. Kind of bland and it felt all over the place; as if they wanted to cover ALL the relationships and affections developing or that had develop on the recent pass (Hemmer) and the story ended up like too dispersed, diluted. At the end of the season this episode would probably end up at a lower spot of the ten, will see.
I am annoyed by the frequent appearance of Kirk, it is distracting. All trekkers already are well aware that he is the greatest human being to ever roam the galaxy (insert sarcastic smirk here), it is constantly hammer into Trek consciousness by fans and lore. If this character have being so effective at inserting himself as a legend on Trek mythos, isn't it counterproductive to bring him back on a show that can stand on its own and should stand on it's own? I think it is a mistake. Let SNW stand by itself, on Pike effectiveness, on Chapel dramatic glue, on Ortegas charisma, on Spock hybrid ambivalence, on M'Benga uncanny insight into souls, and so on; don't let this show be pulled into Kirk legendary black hole. Yet that last shot of Uhura, Spock and Kirk sitting on a table was evocative and heartfelt. Let's leave it there; let the force of past images (TOS) secretly informed the present and do not make them stale by repetitions. Do not fall into the trap of nostalgia like PIC did!!!
Its a change in how TV works. Few show are episodic now. The days when you can kill off a major character and they're never mentioned again are gone. Spock/Chapel got about 2 minutes of screen time. They took time to develop an Uhura/Hemmer friendship. If she just forgot about him she looks like a sociopath. So they used it. I liked the episode but didn't love it. One thing that annoys me was them saying only Uhura and the redshirt were affected. It was pretty clear that a lot of people were affected but they were affected the worst. They are definitely overusing Kirk. I'm fine with him being different now that they admit that Prime has changed but its too early in the series for him to appear. I'd rate the episode a B-. One I'd watch again but not eager to. The kind of episode that 5 years from now I'll barely remember good or bad. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 21, 2023 2:48:13 GMT
It was good. As others said, we've seen this type of story before. However, this might be very new to a younger fan. Yes, many of us upwards of a couple of decades have seen some version of this on TNG and the 90's shows.
I'm not surprised the conversation revolves around Kirk for this ep. I was surprised to see him show up this soon again. He's clearly going to be a significant character in SNW. I do feel that might mean other characters get short changed but then I think about how the other cast members must have felt like when Worf showed up on DS9 or when Ensign Ro seemed to be a permanent character for a bit on TNG and it still worked. This new Kirk is growing on me. The actor is doing a great job.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 21, 2023 5:02:42 GMT
As others have said, we've seen this plot before, but it's well presented, and I think it's elevated more than a little just because I so love these people.
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Post by Tupperfan on Jul 21, 2023 15:59:59 GMT
Quick first impressions: This is nothing new in Trek, and that the whole gimmick was necessary to the story, but it annoyed me greatly that Uhura's colleagues - and especially superiors - were seen as okay (nonchalent, even, in Pike's case) with her condition, and that she was allowed to keep getting involved. M'Banga should have hyposprayed her as soon as she mentioned not wanting to sleep despite her obvious symptoms. The most blatant exemple was her accompanying Kirk, phaser in hand, while clearly suffering from hallucinations that had resulted in her assaulting a fellow officer. There are 200+ people on that ship, how come there was now tactical support aside from La'an? (Guess they were all in that lounge we keep seeing relatively full on every occasion). I'll echo others on the fact that Wesley's Kirk is growing on me. Not a fan of the place the character takes, but the Kirk brothers conflict was interesting. That being said, it was great to see Hemmer, who is sorely missed (even if I really like his replacement, Pelia). Guess it will allow me to plug that I saw Bruce Horak's show, Assassinating Thompson at the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa in July 2022. It was a wonderful multi-disciplinary performance by Mr. Horak!
Edit: Can't seem to post a bigger version of the pic, but it's not like it's necessary either...
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Post by nombrecomun on Jul 21, 2023 18:21:55 GMT
Quick first impressions: This is nothing new in Trek, and that the whole gimmick was necessary to the story, but it annoyed me greatly that Uhura's colleagues - and especially superiors - were seen as okay (nonchalent, even, in Pike's case) with her condition, and that she was allowed to keep getting involved. M'Banga should have hyposprayed her as soon as she mentioned not wanting to sleep despite her obvious symptoms. The most blatant exemple was her accompanying Kirk, phaser in hand, while clearly suffering from hallucinations that had resulted in her assaulting a fellow officer. There are 200+ people on that ship, how come there was now tactical support aside from La'an? (Guess they were all in that lounge we keep seeing relatively full on every occasion). I agree. It did bother me when I was watching it. This might be a little on the Firey Caves type of topic but I felt it was a very 'left' notion of "accepting people for who they are and what they're experiencing without question". Uhura should not have left the medbay. It does bring the notion that this version of nu-Trek seems to deemphasize the military aspects of Starfleet. Now it seems more like a group of office co-workers in space. However, I should say I did have a gf who was an Lt in the US Navy. Her specific division was the Environmental Sciences and that office did have a very relaxed environment as well. |
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Post by scenario on Jul 21, 2023 19:54:08 GMT
Quick first impressions: This is nothing new in Trek, and that the whole gimmick was necessary to the story, but it annoyed me greatly that Uhura's colleagues - and especially superiors - were seen as okay (nonchalent, even, in Pike's case) with her condition, and that she was allowed to keep getting involved. M'Banga should have hyposprayed her as soon as she mentioned not wanting to sleep despite her obvious symptoms. The most blatant exemple was her accompanying Kirk, phaser in hand, while clearly suffering from hallucinations that had resulted in her assaulting a fellow officer. There are 200+ people on that ship, how come there was now tactical support aside from La'an? (Guess they were all in that lounge we keep seeing relatively full on every occasion). I agree. It did bother me when I was watching it. This might be a little on the Firey Caves type of topic but I felt it was a very 'left' notion of "accepting people for who they are and what they're experiencing without question". Uhura should not have left the medbay. It does bring the notion that this version of nu-Trek seems to deemphasize the military aspects of Starfleet. Now it seems more like a group of office co-workers in space. However, I should say I did have a gf who was an Lt in the US Navy. Her specific division was the Environmental Sciences and that office did have a very relaxed environment as well. Captains ignoring obvious red flags has a long history in ST. You find an old ship drifting in space named after a prison colony. Thaw out the passengers. Give them free run of the ship and answer all their questions. or "Captain. I sense deception." "Shut up Troy." The former person in charge was relieved from duty for erratic behavior. Una and Pelia argued non-stop. The navigation officer has hallucinations. Nope, nothing to see here. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 21, 2023 22:36:17 GMT
I dunno, in "All Good Things," Picard was having visual and auditory hallucinations and didn't remember officers' assignments. With a thirty second speech, they still followed him to their deaths.
In measure, giving Uhura a phaser doesn't seem that weird.
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Post by Tupperfan on Jul 22, 2023 0:40:19 GMT
As I stated, it is indeed on par for Trek, it's just getting increasingly more difficult to accept as time goes by and as we get more aware of how things work... especially when your Defence Scientist girlfriend watches with you and practically yells at the screen  I for one am not necessarily looking for constant rehashes of old Trek, but as others mentioned, it's what we got here. It was a fine episode and as Scenario said, it's not really memorable in any way.
It's been my general feel for the season until now. Decent stuff.
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Post by scenario on Jul 22, 2023 2:39:50 GMT
I chalk a lot up to poetic license. The writers want to create drama. 99% of the time if everyone did the sensible thing, the show would be boring. Sometimes they go too far.
Plus I think a lot of their viewers haven't seen that much trek. If you did nothing but watch trek 24/7 it would take over a month to watch it all.
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Post by RobinBland on Jul 24, 2023 20:31:56 GMT
Found the story in this episode incredibly predictable. From the first moment that Uhura starts hearing things, you just knew how it was going to play out. It was saved, big time, by the character work and interpersonal relationships.
Still not sold on Wesley as Kirk per se, but I like him and his acting style and that is a weird, contradictory reaction I can't quite reconcile. He's nothing like La Shats or Pine (who I think did an admirable job of creating an utterly convincing new version of the same character). I dunno, I find Wesley very watchable, and he's a very intelligent, thoughtful actor, never moreso than in this portrayal of actual "prime" Kirk, but I keep finding myself pretending he's playing someone else. He gets Kirk, on paper, clearly, but there's something almost a little cerebral about him. That said, he's great with Gooding's Uhura and the meeting with Spock, at the end of the ep, without hoo-ha, was a really nice moment. The jousting with Sam is also a great scene.
Gooding is lovely as Uhura (I still hate that shuttle crash backstory) but she's utterly adorable as herself - which is to say Wheaton interviews her on The Ready Room instalment that accompanies this episode. It's really worth watching if you haven't already seen it.
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT