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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 6, 2023 16:22:30 GMT
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 6, 2023 17:07:12 GMT
I totally disagree with you! Archer and Kirk-they are the best of the best starfleet captains. My top of starfleet captains: 10 Janeway 9 Sisko 8 Pike 7 Picard 6 Sulu 5 Kirk (Star Trek 2009) 4 Decker 3 Robert April 2 Archer 1 Kirk (TOS)
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jul 6, 2023 18:24:55 GMT
I like Archer more now than I did when things first aired, and I would put him in my top 3, but Pike has a warmth and decency none of the others have. The article, and several others, have discussed Pike's "Dad vibes," and that fits. Just hanging with that guy and you see the best of humanity, someone you'd love to serve with and someone you'd be proud to call Dad. He's like all the best elements of a 50s TV guy without the caricature.
I like April, but there really isn't enough of him for me to include him on any list. Beyond SNW, all there is is one animated episode.
Matt Decker? Can't judge because I've never seen him 100% sane.
Also not enough Sulu for me either to really get into him or see his command style.
Picard has always been too stolid and distant to rate all that highly. I like him. I respect him, but there's something to be said for charisma in the job.
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Post by ashleytinger on Jul 7, 2023 11:44:03 GMT
I like most of the featured series Captain's we've seen so far for very different reasons. They definitely all have different molds to them. Picard is like the elder statesman, Kirk was the charismatic intellectual, Sisko was uncompromising until he had to be, Janeway was loyal to her crew to a fault sometimes, and Pike, well I can't disagree with the assessment that he's a very warm father figure.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jul 7, 2023 17:32:10 GMT
I generally don't like making lists or naming favorites, but yeah, Pike has the best traits of all the captains under one hood.
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Post by Yorick on Jul 8, 2023 7:10:52 GMT
I sing this song a lot, but all the captains are products of their times. Not the future, but the eras in which their series’ were filmed. Relative to the 1960s, Kirk was a significant departure from the typical leading man, albeit not so much of a departure as to challenge acceptability to the network. The Roddenberry maxim: Kirk is the captain, keep him strong. Yet I’m not sure how many scenes from 1960s dramas, let alone, sci-fi, where the leading man questioned himself or admitted wrong as much as Kirk. “Bones, what of I’m wrong?” (Balance of Terror), “Am I that petty?” (The Ultimate Computer). He also didn’t always win and challenged orthodoxy. He was gregarious but strong, full of humour but determined. And a lot of this, it has to be said, is down to what Shatner brought to the role. I hear the arguments for Pike and agree to a large extent, but relative to the era in which the respective captains are written, I think Kirk is the most remarkable.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 8, 2023 22:12:04 GMT
A very compelling argument. Hard to argue against it.
Still I must choose Picard. TNG Picard, not this ghost that PIC rendered to us. Trek is idealistic; Picard represents a vision of commitment to a code. Family is great, and a strong father figure is vital to create productive individuals. But people forget that Starfleet is a military organization; the problem with "dad captains" on this premise is that it can be paralyzing when the job requires extreme sacrifices. Picard is engaging to your overall personal life and well being, but just up to a point. If you get too close, how would you be able to send your people to a certain death on a sudden mission? A sort of distance is necessary is you want to maintain a healthy balance between efficiency and psychological ease.
An incomplete list of best captains: 1. Picard 2. Sisko 3. Pike 4. Archer
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 9, 2023 16:58:11 GMT
A very compelling argument. Hard to argue against it.
Still I must choose Picard. TNG Picard, not this ghost that PIC rendered to us. Trek is idealistic; Picard represents a vision of commitment to a code. Family is great, and a strong father figure is vital to create productive individuals. But people forget that Starfleet is a military organization; the problem with "dad captains" on this premise is that it can be paralyzing when the job requires extreme sacrifices. Picard is engaging to your overall personal life and well being, but just up to a point. If you get too close, how would you be able to send your people to a certain death on a sudden mission? A sort of distance is necessary is you want to maintain a healthy balance between efficiency and psychological ease.
An incomplete list of best captains: 1. Picard 2. Sisko 3. Pike 4. Archer
Where is Kirk?
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jul 9, 2023 21:35:34 GMT
A very compelling argument. Hard to argue against it.
Still I must choose Picard. TNG Picard, not this ghost that PIC rendered to us. Trek is idealistic; Picard represents a vision of commitment to a code. Family is great, and a strong father figure is vital to create productive individuals. But people forget that Starfleet is a military organization; the problem with "dad captains" on this premise is that it can be paralyzing when the job requires extreme sacrifices. Picard is engaging to your overall personal life and well being, but just up to a point. If you get too close, how would you be able to send your people to a certain death on a sudden mission? A sort of distance is necessary is you want to maintain a healthy balance between efficiency and psychological ease.
An incomplete list of best captains: 1. Picard 2. Sisko 3. Pike 4. Archer
Where is Kirk? Kirk is dead. His body lie on the Daystorm Institute, like a fossilized relic from better times.
List (continued): 5. Kirk 6. Janeway 7. Burnham
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Jul 18, 2023 22:11:08 GMT
100. Janeway (She's a bitchy hypocrite) 99-6. Random Captains 5.Archer 4. Picard 3. Kirk 2. Riker 1. SISKO and PIKE (Yeah they both share number one because its my list and I can do that.)
#6 Captain Bates of the Bozeman #7. Captain Hernandez of the Columbia
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