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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 3, 2023 14:18:25 GMT
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Post by Yorick on Jul 4, 2023 20:36:39 GMT
I suspect the writer of the article is quite young. That is, he wasn’t around at the time. I was.
Couple of things pop out. First, OT a bit, the reception of Star Trek III. While it is true that the destruction of the Enterprise was majorly annoying and a gimmick, to be fair it must be said that the critical reception of the film was not at all bad, nor was the popular reception negative. I have on tape a vox pop clip from Entertainment Tonight interviewing fans as they came out of cinemas saying how this was the BEST of the series so far. My review clippings all support this - critics liked it, at least where I am in Australia. Most said something like “it’s not a classic, but it’s not trying to be, just another entertaining film in a series.” No one thought the Enterprise would stay dead as we didn’t think Spock would stay dead. I remember reading an interesting article at the time: “Paramount’s Biggest Challenge: Let Spock Stay Dead.” Ha!
With regard to The Voyage Home being derided today by the angry YouTubers. It’s not that simple. The tapestry of time is complicated. Events, decisions, artistic expression, commentary- all arise as an effect of how this complex causes sit with each other. You can’t say TVH home would be the subject of YouTube ire when the very absence of YouTube says something about whether that film would have been made at all. That is, if it was a world of influencers and no gatekeepers, the truest (as alas most base - in the old sense of that word) democratisation of voice, would TVH be made? What would social media have done to the world of 1986? Would #MeToo have arrived decades earlier? Who would be able to parley their online popularity into political power? When you mess with time, which in effect is what the author is doing, there are all sorts of consequences. It’s what keep Temporal Investigations and Dr Who in business.
So it’s a moot point how TVH would be received today. It was of its time.
Change the time, change the film.
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 5, 2023 11:26:05 GMT
I suspect the writer of the article is quite young. That is, he wasn’t around at the time. I was. Couple of things pop out. First, OT a bit, the reception of Star Trek III. While it is true that the destruction of the Enterprise was majorly annoying and a gimmick, to be fair it must be said that the critical reception of the film was not at all bad, nor was the popular reception negative. I have on tape a vox pop clip from Entertainment Tonight interviewing fans as they came out of cinemas saying how this was the BEST of the series so far. My review clippings all support this - critics liked it, at least where I am in Australia. Most said something like “it’s not a classic, but it’s not trying to be, just another entertaining film in a series.” No one thought the Enterprise would stay dead as we didn’t think Spock would stay dead. I remember reading an interesting article at the time: “Paramount’s Biggest Challenge: Let Spock Stay Dead.” Ha! With regard to The Voyage Home being derided today by the angry YouTubers. It’s not that simple. The tapestry of time is complicated. Events, decisions, artistic expression, commentary- all arise as an effect of how this complex causes sit with each other. You can’t say TVH home would be the subject of YouTube ire when the very absence of YouTube says something about whether that film would have been made at all. That is, if it was a world of influencers and no gatekeepers, the truest (as alas most base - in the old sense of that word) democratisation of voice, would TVH be made? What would social media have done to the world of 1986? Would #MeToo have arrived decades earlier? Who would be able to parley their online popularity into political power? When you mess with time, which in effect is what the author is doing, there are all sorts of consequences. It’s what keep Temporal Investigations and Dr Who in business. So it’s a moot point how TVH would be received today. It was of its time. Change the time, change the film. I totally agree with you! What do you think about that?
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Post by Yorick on Jul 8, 2023 7:20:55 GMT
Some good points. It’s technical and cultural stagnation, as I have argued elsewhere. I saw some commentary recently that this is occurring in science also, notably in physics. It’s kind of a scary time, really, and it doesn’t help that I’m getting older…
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Post by BeastBoy on Jul 8, 2023 11:21:21 GMT
Some good points. It’s technical and cultural stagnation, as I have argued elsewhere. I saw some commentary recently that this is occurring in science also, notably in physics. It’s kind of a scary time, really, and it doesn’t help that I’m getting older… Modern movie industry as ferengi, they are want to make a fast latinum and by this reason they are don't care about quality. What do you think about that?
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Aug 8, 2023 14:56:03 GMT
I suspect the writer of the article is quite young. That is, he wasn’t around at the time. I was. Couple of things pop out. First, OT a bit, the reception of Star Trek III. While it is true that the destruction of the Enterprise was majorly annoying and a gimmick, to be fair it must be said that the critical reception of the film was not at all bad, nor was the popular reception negative. I have on tape a vox pop clip from Entertainment Tonight interviewing fans as they came out of cinemas saying how this was the BEST of the series so far. My review clippings all support this - critics liked it, at least where I am in Australia. Most said something like “it’s not a classic, but it’s not trying to be, just another entertaining film in a series.” No one thought the Enterprise would stay dead as we didn’t think Spock would stay dead. I remember reading an interesting article at the time: “Paramount’s Biggest Challenge: Let Spock Stay Dead.” Ha! With regard to The Voyage Home being derided today by the angry YouTubers. It’s not that simple. The tapestry of time is complicated. Events, decisions, artistic expression, commentary- all arise as an effect of how this complex causes sit with each other. You can’t say TVH home would be the subject of YouTube ire when the very absence of YouTube says something about whether that film would have been made at all. That is, if it was a world of influencers and no gatekeepers, the truest (as alas most base - in the old sense of that word) democratisation of voice, would TVH be made? What would social media have done to the world of 1986? Would #MeToo have arrived decades earlier? Who would be able to parley their online popularity into political power? When you mess with time, which in effect is what the author is doing, there are all sorts of consequences. It’s what keep Temporal Investigations and Dr Who in business. So it’s a moot point how TVH would be received today. It was of its time. Change the time, change the film. Agreed 100%. Context matters. "The Voyage Home" was exactly the sort of upbeat, lighthearted, modern-issue-metaphor story the franchise desperately needed at the time, and for my money, the ecological message still works today as well. Younger fans get Star Trek today as a whole; they can watch all of the movies whenever they want. We had to wait 2-3 years between movies in 1986, and a new ST TV series was little more than a rumor at the time. Personally, I think the long gaps between movies made any new Star Trek just a little more special in those days. I don't think modern audiences in the streaming/bingeing era can ever rediscover the patience we had to have in those days.
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Post by Yorick on Aug 8, 2023 19:43:08 GMT
I suspect the writer of the article is quite young. That is, he wasn’t around at the time. I was. Couple of things pop out. First, OT a bit, the reception of Star Trek III. While it is true that the destruction of the Enterprise was majorly annoying and a gimmick, to be fair it must be said that the critical reception of the film was not at all bad, nor was the popular reception negative. I have on tape a vox pop clip from Entertainment Tonight interviewing fans as they came out of cinemas saying how this was the BEST of the series so far. My review clippings all support this - critics liked it, at least where I am in Australia. Most said something like “it’s not a classic, but it’s not trying to be, just another entertaining film in a series.” No one thought the Enterprise would stay dead as we didn’t think Spock would stay dead. I remember reading an interesting article at the time: “Paramount’s Biggest Challenge: Let Spock Stay Dead.” Ha! With regard to The Voyage Home being derided today by the angry YouTubers. It’s not that simple. The tapestry of time is complicated. Events, decisions, artistic expression, commentary- all arise as an effect of how this complex causes sit with each other. You can’t say TVH home would be the subject of YouTube ire when the very absence of YouTube says something about whether that film would have been made at all. That is, if it was a world of influencers and no gatekeepers, the truest (as alas most base - in the old sense of that word) democratisation of voice, would TVH be made? What would social media have done to the world of 1986? Would #MeToo have arrived decades earlier? Who would be able to parley their online popularity into political power? When you mess with time, which in effect is what the author is doing, there are all sorts of consequences. It’s what keep Temporal Investigations and Dr Who in business. So it’s a moot point how TVH would be received today. It was of its time. Change the time, change the film. Agreed 100%. Context matters. "The Voyage Home" was exactly the sort of upbeat, lighthearted, modern-issue-metaphor story the franchise desperately needed at the time, and for my money, the ecological message still works today as well. Younger fans get Star Trek today as a whole; they can watch all of the movies whenever they want. We had to wait 2-3 years between movies in 1986, and a new ST TV series was little more than a rumor at the time. Personally, I think the long gaps between movies made any new Star Trek just a little more special in those days. I don't think modern audiences in the streaming/bingeing era can ever rediscover the patience we had to have in those days. After each interval of years, the moment would come when the title would appear, and I got chills every time.
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