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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 23, 2023 18:21:05 GMT
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 23, 2023 18:47:58 GMT
This is indeed terrible news. I really loved this. My reading is that post-production is going to be completed and S2 will get shopped around t see if anyone wants to buy and air it. Beyond that, it's just done. Well, as for a write-off, it's basically this: Streamers continue to pay licensing fees in order to keep programs on their platforms. WBD, for example, removed lower-rated series including Westworld and The Nevers and instead licensed them to free, ad-supported streaming services in a bid to recoup some of the losses on the pricey scripted originals. Disney recently purged a couple dozen titles from Disney+ and Hulu and it remains unclear if the Mouse House plans to follow suit and sell the under-performing titles to free, ad-supported streamers or elsewhere. In a recent earnings report, Disney took a $1.5 billion tax write-down for the content removal.
These shows didn't generate the return on investment that they sought so, for them, it's just throwing money into a pit to keep them. They take them off the site and they don't have to pay those fees and then, if they essentially give up rights to the show by either shelving it (like Warner's Batgirl movie that no one will ever see) or letting the production company try to shop it around, they can tax deduct much or all of the money already spent, and, if they manage to find a buyer for the likes of Prodigy, get a little more cash back in license fees. Batgirl is a full write-off for Warner, but, while Prodigy isn't that for CBS, the penny-counters decided that the cost savings made it worthwhile. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 23, 2023 19:26:16 GMT
This switch on my gloom mood. 😠
They are not only going to stop producing it they are going to scrap the show from the platform.
This is another example that if trekkers want to be sure that they can watch Trek episodes in the future when they desire, they must purchase solid copies of the seasons (DVDs Blu-rays...) Whose to say that in 10 or 15 years due to Market forces or the whims of executives whole shows (TNG, DS9, SNW...) are cut off from a platform for good? We have zero control over that.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 23, 2023 19:38:20 GMT
This switch on my gloom mood. 😠 They are not only going to stop producing it they are going to scrap the show from the platform. This is another example that if trekkers want to be sure that they can watch Trek episodes in the future when they desire, they must purchase solid copies of the seasons (DVDs Blu-rays...) Whose to say that in 10 or 15 years due to Market forces or the whims of executives whole shows (TNG, DS9, SNW...) are cut off from a platform for good? We have zero control over that. They could easily do that with the likes of DS9 or Voyager. Easy to say something like, "HD is standard, but viewing numbers are lackluster because they look like crap. But it'd be too expensive to remaster them, so, really, they're taking up space on the platform, so off they'll go." |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 23, 2023 20:26:00 GMT
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 23, 2023 20:30:43 GMT
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Post by RobinBland on Jun 24, 2023 2:35:47 GMT
I just saw this
Words fail me
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Post by BeastBoy on Jun 24, 2023 4:10:21 GMT
Star Trek Prodigy is good but not awesome as Star Trek TOS. What do you think about that?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 24, 2023 5:26:58 GMT
TOS is in class by itself.
But Prodigy was new to me, and it became quite a joy to watch and was very Star Trek.
I want more and I hope it finds a home. At the very least, it should be able to find someone to air S2.
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Post by BeastBoy on Jun 24, 2023 5:51:42 GMT
TOS is in class by itself. But Prodigy was new to me, and it became quite a joy to watch and was very Star Trek. I want more and I hope it finds a home. At the very least, it dhould be able to find someone to air S2. Why they are don't want to shown this series on TV? For example cable TV. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 24, 2023 17:29:37 GMT
TOS is in class by itself. But Prodigy was new to me, and it became quite a joy to watch and was very Star Trek. I want more and I hope it finds a home. At the very least, it dhould be able to find someone to air S2. Why they are don't want to shown this series on TV? For example cable TV. They do seem to want it shown, which is why it's set to be finished and that they're shopping it around to other parties. I think it just boils down to, "This show doesn't have the viewership that we want, so we're just going to cut it loose and not pay licensing fees for a show that not enough people are watching." It's much the same reason that, while the CW's "Superman and Lois" has been renewed, renegotiation of these fees in relation to overall cost has led to virtually all of the regular cast being relegated to 'guest star' status and being allowed to pursue other projects and episode budgets being slashed. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jun 25, 2023 2:01:25 GMT
Are you kidding me?!? What the hell?? One of the best serialized Treks since DS9 and they f**King cancel it?? Tell me how this gets cancelled, and yet stupid-as-hell "Lower Decks" is allowed to keep breathing? |
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Post by BeastBoy on Jun 25, 2023 3:10:38 GMT
Are you kidding me?!? What the hell?? One of the best serialized Treks since DS9 and they f**King cancel it?? Tell me how this gets cancelled, and yet stupid-as-hell "Lower Decks" is allowed to keep breathing? The people are too stupid, for this reason, sitcoms as Lower Decks are very popular. |
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Post by RobinBland on Jun 25, 2023 4:04:48 GMT
Are you kidding me?!? What the hell?? One of the best serialized Treks since DS9 and they f**King cancel it?? Tell me how this gets cancelled, and yet stupid-as-hell "Lower Decks" is allowed to keep breathing? I am also really struggling with this. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 25, 2023 17:01:38 GMT
Are you kidding me?!? What the hell?? One of the best serialized Treks since DS9 and they f**King cancel it?? Tell me how this gets cancelled, and yet stupid-as-hell "Lower Decks" is allowed to keep breathing? Because it's buzzy and so people watch it. |
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Post by RobinBland on Jun 25, 2023 19:02:06 GMT
Are you kidding me?!? What the hell?? One of the best serialized Treks since DS9 and they f**King cancel it?? Tell me how this gets cancelled, and yet stupid-as-hell "Lower Decks" is allowed to keep breathing? Because it's buzzy and so people watch it. Yeah, and reckon it's also because of that tie-in with SNW later in S2. They need a return on that investment. Plus, if you're looking to save costs, it's always the last in the door who is the first out. Easier to strike off the newer show for tax and insurance credits. Nonetheless, I can't believe they're canning this show over Lowest Dreck. Prodigy is just better Star Trek, with great promise. Better from any objective critical standpoint (and certainly my subjective one). Cory Doctorow coined that term "enshittification" regarding online platforms gradually degrading the quality and performance of their services; this is the same thing as applied to Paramount+ via Star Trek. Probably won't be long before we hear that Starfleet Academy is also being "rethought." Not that Imma shed a tear over a show I don't want. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 25, 2023 21:02:02 GMT
Because it's buzzy and so people watch it. Yeah, and reckon it's also because of that tie-in with SNW later in S2. They need a return on that investment. Plus, if you're looking to save costs, it's always the last in the door who is the first out. Easier to strike off the newer show for tax and insurance credits. Nonetheless, I can't believe they're canning this show over Lowest Dreck. Prodigy is just better Star Trek, with great promise. Better from any objective critical standpoint (and certainly my subjective one). Cory Doctorow coined that term "enshittification" regarding online platforms gradually degrading the quality and performance of their services; this is the same thing as applied to Paramount+ via Star Trek. Probably won't be long before we hear that Starfleet Academy is also being "rethought." Not that Imma shed a tear over a show I don't want. All true. I have no interest in an SA show either, have never had an interest in it, and all an episode like "The First Duty" has ever done was solidify that I don't want one. It's a great story, but the kids are absolutely a pack of vain, egotistical villains here who were told they were the best of the best of the best so damn much they believed it and it doomed them. (See also: Red Squad from "The Valiant") The last thing I want is a whole series about children like that. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 26, 2023 17:05:59 GMT
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Post by ashleytinger on Jun 26, 2023 18:28:33 GMT
Paramount is having some serious financial troubles unfortunately. I can see one of the other big companies swooping in another year or two and snatching it up at bargain prices. They've basically put themselves on life support for the next two years unless they can turn things around.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 26, 2023 18:36:58 GMT
Paramount is having some serious financial troubles unfortunately. I can see one of the other big companies swooping in another year or two and snatching it up at bargain prices. They've basically put themselves on life support for the next two years unless they can turn things around. They're already parting themselves off, and have been throwing lines into the water for years. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 26, 2023 19:12:23 GMT
The comments on the original post thread (Mantz) are wild! People are upset and talking about false advertisement since P+ promised them ALL Trek content when they subscribed. Removing Prodigy amount to breach of contract. |
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Post by scenario on Jun 26, 2023 23:05:21 GMT
That's the problem with streaming. A never ending bill whether or not anyone watches it. They need a better model. Its just pushing entertainment to the lowest common denominator.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 26, 2023 23:24:57 GMT
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jun 27, 2023 0:17:41 GMT
Paramount is having some serious financial troubles unfortunately. I can see one of the other big companies swooping in another year or two and snatching it up at bargain prices. They've basically put themselves on life support for the next two years unless they can turn things around. All I can say is that "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" had better make an aircraft carrier-full of money for them... |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Jun 27, 2023 0:21:24 GMT
That's the problem with streaming. A never ending bill whether or not anyone watches it. They need a better model. It's just pushing entertainment to the lowest common denominator. Wouldn't it be great if you could just...rent whatever you wanted to watch on DVD or BluRay? Or maybe just buy them piecemeal. Perhaps all these rentable DVDs/BluRays could be available on every street corner, in buildings called 'video stores'... crazy, I know. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 27, 2023 1:58:40 GMT
Paramount is having some serious financial troubles unfortunately. I can see one of the other big companies swooping in another year or two and snatching it up at bargain prices. They've basically put themselves on life support for the next two years unless they can turn things around. All I can say is that "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" had better make an aircraft carrier-full of money for them... It won't. With middling reviews and a really crowded July, it won't. Even between Indiana Jones and Ethan Hunt, there's no cure for what ails Paramount. |
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Post by RobinBland on Jun 27, 2023 17:53:02 GMT
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Post by RobinBland on Jun 27, 2023 20:25:35 GMT
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Post by Garak Nephew on Jun 27, 2023 21:25:31 GMT
I got an email today by P+ letting me know that my subcription is getting a $1 increased effective next cycle!! Are you kidding me? You trim away content from the original package and you are going to charge me more! Great marketing strategy! 👍
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Jun 27, 2023 21:54:07 GMT
Streaming as it is now was the natural endgame of the public’s desire for ala carte cable.
“I only wanna play for the 4 networks, plus TBS, TNT, and ESPN.” People wanted to be able to pay their cable company $2 a channel or something.
It never occurred to people that the content owners would or could ever be able to take that content that they own, put it behind a paywall and then make you decide to pay for it or not.
Now Zaslav is talking about streamers eventually merging content.
So….cable.
With Internet costs rising, too, “cutting the cord” becomes increasingly pointless.
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I am so sorry...