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Post by Yorick on May 13, 2023 21:11:50 GMT
I thought I would help fill up some of the “no posts have been made” folders by kicking off a discussion. In the Dave Cullen video on the recent OTOY experiments with the startlingly Nimoy-esque actor stand-in, he mentions a panel discussion about recreating the animated series as live-action, with direct visual continuity with the original series. I would certainly be up for at least one of these, especially if they could get ahold of the unadulterated original voice recordings and master the remakes with tracked music from the 60s, supplemented with some restrained additions, not unlike the Star Trek Continues crew has done. What do you think? Exploitative and disrespectful or a worthy undertaking?
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 17, 2023 1:57:21 GMT
I thought I would help fill up some of the “no posts have been made” folders by kicking off a discussion. In the Dave Cullen video on the recent OTOY experiments with the startlingly Nimoy-esque actor stand-in, he mentions a panel discussion about recreating the animated series as live-action, with direct visual continuity with the original series. I would certainly be up for at least one of these, especially if they could get ahold of the unadulterated original voice recordings and master the remakes with tracked music from the 60s, supplemented with some restrained additions, not unlike the Star Trek Continues crew has done. What do you think? Exploitative and disrespectful or a worthy undertaking? Our own Robin Bland and I were both in favor of this EXACT idea, back on Omega Sector BBS. With modern CGI, the original actors' voice tracks and 1960s TOS music cues (and perhaps some of the 1970s Filmation stock music, for purists), I would VERY MUCH welcome this, though not as 'live action' exactly; I think recreating dead actors in CGI is still a bit ghoulish, for some reason; I'd prefer if they just made a really high-end animated cartoon (i.e. Star Wars Rebels), I'd be a very happy Trekkie.
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Post by RobinBland on May 22, 2023 21:08:27 GMT
Thirded!
If you get the right team behind it, such as the Okudas, who had a lot to do with the blu-ray remastering of TOS back in the 00s.
Because there's a version of this which could go horribly wrong, so it has to be respectful, so as to make it dovetail with TOS rather than anything that's come since.
You know what I'm sayin'.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 23, 2023 2:30:24 GMT
Thirded! If you get the right team behind it, such as the Okudas, who had a lot to do with the blu-ray remastering of TOS back in the 00s. Because there's a version of this which could go horribly wrong, so it has to be respectful, so as to make it dovetail with TOS rather than anything that's come since. You know what I'm sayin'. I still remember our long conversations on Trekcore/OS about this very thing, and I think we're still on the same page. Something more modern, like "Star Wars: Rebels," but slightly less stylized, perhaps. A shade more realistic, but not photorealistic.
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Post by RobinBland on May 23, 2023 23:28:31 GMT
Thirded! If you get the right team behind it, such as the Okudas, who had a lot to do with the blu-ray remastering of TOS back in the 00s. Because there's a version of this which could go horribly wrong, so it has to be respectful, so as to make it dovetail with TOS rather than anything that's come since. You know what I'm sayin'. I still remember our long conversations on Trekcore/OS about this very thing, and I think we're still on the same page. Something more modern, like "Star Wars: Rebels," but slightly less stylized, perhaps. A shade more realistic, but not photorealistic. I agree, the stories of TAS would lend themselves to something updated and far more expressive than was possible in the early 70s, a style that was more visually interesting and truer to the characters (and the voices of the actors) in terms of overall expression. It's funny though, since we had those convos, animation tech has come on a huge way. It's evolved so much, and continues to, and drives costs down. People are building animated movies in Unreal engine(s) and using other AI apps to do all kinds of inbetweening tasks, so you'd have to be extremely specific about the "style" you'd want. I can imagine the money people not getting it and just wanting something photorealistic, because that'd effectively give 'em 22 "new" episodes of TOS. I think that would be the wrong approach, but I also think that it's a conversation the creative people would lose. There's no Nimoy, no Berman, no keeper of the flame around who still carries the TOS-era philosophies with them in quite the same way; not in a day-to-day sense, anyway. Like a lot of modern Trek, the question of aesthetics becomes a defining factor, moreso perhaps than the actual scripts and concepts behind those scripts.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 26, 2023 13:42:24 GMT
I still remember our long conversations on Trekcore/OS about this very thing, and I think we're still on the same page. Something more modern, like "Star Wars: Rebels," but slightly less stylized, perhaps. A shade more realistic, but not photorealistic. I agree, the stories of TAS would lend themselves to something updated and far more expressive than was possible in the early 70s, a style that was more visually interesting and truer to the characters (and the voices of the actors) in terms of overall expression. It's funny though, since we had those convos, animation tech has come on a huge way. It's evolved so much, and continues to, and drives costs down. People are building animated movies in Unreal engine(s) and using other AI apps to do all kinds of inbetweening tasks, so you'd have to be extremely specific about the "style" you'd want. I can imagine the money people not getting it and just wanting something photorealistic, because that'd effectively give 'em 22 "new" episodes of TOS. I think that would be the wrong approach, but I also think that it's a conversation the creative people would lose. There's no Nimoy, no Berman, no keeper of the flame around who still carries the TOS-era philosophies with them in quite the same way; not in a day-to-day sense, anyway. Like a lot of modern Trek, the question of aesthetics becomes a defining factor, moreso perhaps than the actual scripts and concepts behind those scripts. An embarrassment of riches, isn't it? I'd prefer something with more natural human forms/face shapes, etc, and perhaps more textures in the uniforms, but I don't want to see a dead-eyed CGI Nimoy or DeForest Kelley staring back at me through the screen; that's just...creepy.
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