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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 27, 2023 22:50:10 GMT
Its no secret that I hated the Enterprise-F. But I REALLY hate The Enterprise-G. It is a really pathedic piece of junk underwhelming Starship to carry the name "Enterprise"
So my challenge to everybody is, What class Starship would you have the Enterprise-G
Me, I would have the Sagan Class. I know it would be the first lacking a proper Stardrive and 2 Nacelles, but I love the Design. Just make sure it had Whitish-gray Hull Paint. And A brighter bridge.
Also, I wouldn't have minded if they put the D back into service as the AGT 3 nacelle design, cloak, beam cannon, and all. (Remember, there's really no need for the treaty of Algeron anymore) . Like hold off from a New Enterprise Alphabet for a while.
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Post by MrPicard on Apr 28, 2023 8:46:32 GMT
I think it's more upsetting that they erased the entire history of the Titan just so that they could hit people over the head with a SUPER EMOTIONAL SCENE PLEASE CRY where it is DRAMATICALLY REVEALED to Jean-Luc that his (incredibly annoying) son will be serving aboard an ENTERPRISE OH MY GOD HOW EMOTIONAL.
Anyways tho. I dislike the kitbash style of the ship as well. What even is this. Enterprises are supposed to be the latest of the latest when they're commissioned, not kitbash models that look like a rather strange baby of a Constitution and a refit Constitution-class. Why are we going BACKWARDS in design? Ah, I forgot: It's Terry Matalas' fan fic world now and his favorite is the Constitution-class.
I would simply have opted for a design that, like it SHOULD, evolves what we saw with the Enterprise-F. Or maybe even repair the Enterprise-F? Was it even destroyed? (If not, why are we going through new letters at such an alarming rate?) I don't know. I didn't pay attention. Shows how much I care by now, haha.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 5, 2023 14:11:02 GMT
I think it's more upsetting that they erased the entire history of the Titan just so that they could hit people over the head with a SUPER EMOTIONAL SCENE PLEASE CRY where it is DRAMATICALLY REVEALED to Jean-Luc that his (incredibly annoying) son will be serving aboard an ENTERPRISE OH MY GOD HOW EMOTIONAL. Anyways tho. I dislike the kitbash style of the ship as well. What even is this. Enterprises are supposed to be the latest of the latest when they're commissioned, not kitbash models that look like a rather strange baby of a Constitution and a refit Constitution-class. Why are we going BACKWARDS in design? Ah, I forgot: It's Terry Matalas' fan fic world now and his favorite is the Constitution-class. I would simply have opted for a design that, like it SHOULD, evolves what we saw with the Enterprise-F. Or maybe even repair the Enterprise-F? Was it even destroyed? (If not, why are we going through new letters at such an alarming rate?) I don't know. I didn't pay attention. Shows how much I care by now, haha. I never really hated the class of Constitution ship (whatever it was called; don't care), but I very much agree that simply slapping an "Enterprise G" on it feels...cheap? |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 6, 2023 21:56:13 GMT
Cut a few explosions and they could have afforded a 15-second pan over a D refit.
Could have lived with that.
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Post by RobinBland on May 14, 2023 11:07:25 GMT
That whole scene was bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.
Awful, awful, awful.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 14, 2023 16:20:13 GMT
That whole scene was bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Awful, awful, awful. On many levels. I mean, is the implication supposed to be that Beverly and Jean-Luc are together now? Because I don't buy it. And, like I said elsewhere here, I'd have been fine if, for some reason Picard gave him a field commission or something. It's odd, but Trek has always played pretty loose with ranks and all that, but there was none of that here. But where he ends up was pure, mainlined, nepo-baby. Nothing else. And what's his JOB there? This ensign has a bridge position to advise the captain. On what? How to pepper the situation with the proper bit of snark? Freakin' Neelix had better reason to be on the bridge. The Titan is the new Enterprise solely because Matalas is a middle school fanboy writer. HIS ship has to be the Enterprise becuz it's cool. |
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Post by RobinBland on May 15, 2023 23:01:31 GMT
That whole scene was bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Awful, awful, awful. On many levels. I mean, is the implication supposed to be that Beverly and Jean-Luc are together now? Because I don't buy it. And, like I said elsewhere here, I'd have been fine if, for some reason Picard gave him a field commission or something. It's odd, but Trek has always played pretty loose with ranks and all that, but there was none of that here. But where he ends up was pure, mainlined, nepo-baby. Nothing else. And what's his JOB there? This ensign has a bridge position to advise the captain. On what? How to pepper the situation with the proper bit of snark? Freakin' Neelix had better reason to be on the bridge. The Titan is the new Enterprise solely because Matalas is a middle school fanboy writer. HIS ship has to be the Enterprise becuz it's cool. I'm not really sure. That whole sequence slipped below my ability to measure unholy shitness. I felt like I was watching it from the end of a tunnel, removed from the supposed celebration and feels as the whole thing disappeared up its own warp core, folding in on itself with a final smug, speeded-up shriek of one of those party blowers. It was banal on a sub-atomic level; writing propelled only by fan self-gratification and no other motor. It really pains me to say I hated it, but in that moment, I genuinely did, because what I saw and understood was every worst instinct of a highly-paid TV writer enshrined onscreen. Trek's generally refrained from bigging up the lone genius auteur showrunner (Roddenberry notwithstanding), with good reason. The story is always what matters most, but not here, not this time. (And this is coming from someone who watched Threshold not too long ago... even some of the terrible stuff like Spock's Brain can be entertaining when you're in the right mood.) But to bring back so many icons of Trek and serve up this... emotional mush as a worthy send-off really repulsed me. I found it grotesque. This scene exemplified it. It confirmed that there's just no arbiters of good taste left in the Trek camp, not with this guy in charge, anyway. Every decision he made this season led down another poorly-lit and ultimately boring dramatic rabbit hole; every time you vainly hoped it would get better it just led to some other groansome enterprise. Terrible pun intended. That's all it deserves. It was just so f***ing awful. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 16, 2023 1:18:51 GMT
On many levels. I mean, is the implication supposed to be that Beverly and Jean-Luc are together now? Because I don't buy it. And, like I said elsewhere here, I'd have been fine if, for some reason Picard gave him a field commission or something. It's odd, but Trek has always played pretty loose with ranks and all that, but there was none of that here. But where he ends up was pure, mainlined, nepo-baby. Nothing else. And what's his JOB there? This ensign has a bridge position to advise the captain. On what? How to pepper the situation with the proper bit of snark? Freakin' Neelix had better reason to be on the bridge. The Titan is the new Enterprise solely because Matalas is a middle school fanboy writer. HIS ship has to be the Enterprise becuz it's cool. I'm not really sure. That whole sequence slipped below my ability to measure unholy shitness. I felt like I was watching it from the end of a tunnel, removed from the supposed celebration and feels as the whole thing disappeared up its own warp core, folding in on itself with a final smug, speeded-up shriek of one of those party blowers. It was banal on a sub-atomic level; writing propelled only by fan self-gratification and no other motor. It really pains me to say I hated it, but in that moment, I genuinely did, because what I saw and understood was every worst instinct of a highly-paid TV writer enshrined onscreen. Trek's generally refrained from bigging up the lone genius auteur showrunner (Roddenberry notwithstanding), with good reason. The story is always what matters most, but not here, not this time. (And this is coming from someone who watched Threshold not too long ago... even some of the terrible stuff like Spock's Brain can be entertaining when you're in the right mood.) But to bring back so many icons of Trek and serve up this... emotional mush as a worthy send-off really repulsed me. I found it grotesque. This scene exemplified it. It confirmed that there's just no arbiters of good taste left in the Trek camp, not with this guy in charge, anyway. Every decision he made this season led down another poorly-lit and ultimately boring dramatic rabbit hole; every time you vainly hoped it would get better it just led to some other groansome enterprise. Terrible pun intended. That's all it deserves. It was just so f***ing awful. I don't think anybody before now ever embraced, or even WANTED to do this this egotistical solo-writer/producer genius bullshit. Berman was a suit first who kept his head down and wrote and produced. Some good stuff, and some bad stuff, but he was into the idea that what came out be Star Trek and be entertaining while still trying to do it the way Roddenberry would have. Behr liked being where he was, and it showed. He relished his kinda subversive Trek and his just diving headfirst into character. Even Manny Coto's 4th season of ENT. There's fan service all over the place, but there was also storycraft. It didn't just jump from scene to scene trying DESPERATELY to pound that feels button. This did. That was all it was ever about. The story was lazy and cheap and served only to try to force an "Aww.." so you didn't think about anything too much. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 19, 2023 14:31:27 GMT
That whole scene was bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Awful, awful, awful. On many levels. I mean, is the implication supposed to be that Beverly and Jean-Luc are together now? Because I don't buy it. And, like I said elsewhere here, I'd have been fine if, for some reason Picard gave him a field commission or something. It's odd, but Trek has always played pretty loose with ranks and all that, but there was none of that here. But where he ends up was pure, mainlined, nepo-baby. Nothing else. And what's his JOB there? This ensign has a bridge position to advise the captain. On what? How to pepper the situation with the proper bit of snark? Freakin' Neelix had better reason to be on the bridge. The Titan is the new Enterprise solely because Matalas is a middle school fanboy writer. HIS ship has to be the Enterprise becuz it's cool. Neither do I. I also have issues with Laris, a far more interesting character, getting Rose Tico'd like that. As a character, she deserved better. Jack's nepotism is, for me, on a par with Cadet Kirk becoming Capt. Kirk in ST09; I neither like it, nor hate it--it exists simply to line up all of the ducks. It's dumb, yes, and I would've preferred to see him at the Academy, but oh well...not going to lose sleep over ANYTHING that happens in PIC, because I'm not really emotionally invested in this show. To be honest, I have greater investment for the characters in DSC than for PIC at this point. At any rate, Matalas got his big dumb reunion. I liked the Ent-D interiors, and all of that, and I might even rewatch that episode someday; skimming over about 75% of it, of course. But beyond the nostalgia, there's really nothing else. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on May 19, 2023 18:59:10 GMT
On many levels. I mean, is the implication supposed to be that Beverly and Jean-Luc are together now? Because I don't buy it. And, like I said elsewhere here, I'd have been fine if, for some reason Picard gave him a field commission or something. It's odd, but Trek has always played pretty loose with ranks and all that, but there was none of that here. But where he ends up was pure, mainlined, nepo-baby. Nothing else. And what's his JOB there? This ensign has a bridge position to advise the captain. On what? How to pepper the situation with the proper bit of snark? Freakin' Neelix had better reason to be on the bridge. The Titan is the new Enterprise solely because Matalas is a middle school fanboy writer. HIS ship has to be the Enterprise becuz it's cool. Neither do I. I also have issues with Laris, a far more interesting character, getting Rose Tico'd like that. As a character, she deserved better. Jack's nepotism is, for me, on a par with Cadet Kirk becoming Capt. Kirk in ST09; I neither like it, nor hate it--it exists simply to line up all of the ducks. It's dumb, yes, and I would've preferred to see him at the Academy, but oh well...not going to lose sleep over ANYTHING that happens in PIC, because I'm not really emotionally invested in this show. To be honest, I have greater investment for the characters in DSC than for PIC at this point. At any rate, Matalas got his big dumb reunion. I liked the Ent-D interiors, and all of that, and I might even rewatch that episode someday; skimming over about 75% of it, of course. But beyond the nostalgia, there's really nothing else. Yup. In the age of CGI as apposed to often static physical model shots, I loved watching the D actually fly just once. I liked seeing it zip and zoom even if it was totally ridiculous for the Borg superstructure to be large enough for the D to do that. I won't lie, it gave me some nice feels, but it does nothing to salvage the wreck of this show. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on May 20, 2023 0:32:21 GMT
Neither do I. I also have issues with Laris, a far more interesting character, getting Rose Tico'd like that. As a character, she deserved better. Jack's nepotism is, for me, on a par with Cadet Kirk becoming Capt. Kirk in ST09; I neither like it, nor hate it--it exists simply to line up all of the ducks. It's dumb, yes, and I would've preferred to see him at the Academy, but oh well...not going to lose sleep over ANYTHING that happens in PIC, because I'm not really emotionally invested in this show. To be honest, I have greater investment for the characters in DSC than for PIC at this point. At any rate, Matalas got his big dumb reunion. I liked the Ent-D interiors, and all of that, and I might even rewatch that episode someday; skimming over about 75% of it, of course. But beyond the nostalgia, there's really nothing else. Yup. In the age of CGI as apposed to often static physical model shots, I loved watching the D actually fly just once. I liked seeing it zip and zoom even if it was totally ridiculous for the Borg superstructure to be large enough for the D to do that. I won't lie, it gave me some nice feels, but it does nothing to salvage the wreck of this show. It makes such a mess of things. I wouldn't mind if it were all just a bad fever dream of Picard's. |
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I am so sorry...