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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 18, 2023 16:01:42 GMT
It seems that this is happening. I do not know what to think, I am kind of numb right now. Well, Yeoh is great and I am glad they got her. It is going to be directed by Osunsanmi, which is a good auspice. He directed Short Trek "Calypso" that in my opinion is the best of that bunch; also he struck the right tone for the last two episode DSC Season 4. I am optimistic by nature, so let's see.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 18, 2023 16:12:46 GMT
I'm just fine with this.
Pretty clear that she's officially priced out of a series and that Yeoh genuinely wants to revisit the character.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 18, 2023 22:18:42 GMT
I hate Section 31, and does not belong in the Trek Universe. Hope every character involved with it is killed off by Tribbles.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 18, 2023 23:07:47 GMT
I hate Section 31, and does not belong in the Trek Universe. Hope every character involved with it is killed off by Tribbles. I agree. "Picard" is broken for many reasons, but one of the main ones is the way they treat S31 on it. It give S31 too much power, too much resources, and "Picard" writers build around this odd notion (odd and wrong in Trek) the premise that Starfleet and Federation are rotten from the inside. It is a mortal blow to Trek. I know there is corruption everywhere, I know that the real world is full of death and betrayal and injustices; BUT, and it is a very big but, on Trek Section 31 should be hunt down and eradicated (that is what Sisko would do, AND, ironically, what TNG Picard would do), because the Federation is fuel by an ideal that DO NOT have room for Section 31. Is it an idealistic position? Damn right it is!!! I am willing to entertain DS9 Section 31 (I just finish rewatching the whole 3 episode sequence there on S31) because it is still somehow contained, secretive, and there is a moral core represented by Bashir, O'Brien and Sisko that works as mental battleground; "Picard" gives you nothing of the sort, we just need to fight the Borg and ethics be damn! I am just so incensed!!!
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Post by scenario on Apr 19, 2023 0:11:53 GMT
I'm sort of in the middle. Star Trek to me was an ideal to strive for that failed as often as not. I don't have a problem with a small section 31 which is mostly spies. They don't kill enemies but they may trick them. Make the enemy think that something important is on a barren piece of rock so they waste a superweapon. Section 31 in Picard is just awful.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 19, 2023 0:12:06 GMT
Just make it what Yeoh was told it was going to be: Mission: Impossible in space.
Have some fun with it.
And, at the very least, buy some lights for your sets.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 19, 2023 3:37:07 GMT
Just make it what Yeoh was told it was going to be: Mission: Impossible in space. Have some fun with it. And, at the very least, buy some lights for your sets. I also like that it's only a one-off movie, not a full series (someone up here heard my plea...haha). Wrote my own little piece on this new development: Section 31 movie.
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Post by SherlockHolmes on Apr 19, 2023 16:28:36 GMT
Just make it what Yeoh was told it was going to be: Mission: Impossible in space. Have some fun with it. And, at the very least, buy some lights for your sets. There are lights....lots of them....just the light emitted from them has been color gradient-ed out of existence. I'm telling you today's color gradient is worse than automatic DNR on older blu-rays. 6 enemies of Cinematography 1.Color Gradient filters 2. Automatic DNR 3.Motion Smoothing (Good god stop making everything look like it was filmed on a camcorder!!!) 4. Shaky cam (Again, camcorder) 5. Lensflares 6.Frame skipping and cuts to fake skilled fighting aka the Bourne Effect.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Apr 20, 2023 14:20:36 GMT
Honest question. Where the name "Section 31" comes from? Has this ever being explained in-universe, in canon or in the novelverse? To me it is evident that it alludes to a document, probably the charter document that constituted The Federation, inspired probably by the United Nations. If so the original signatories of the document should be aware of the "Section 31" phrasing that created S31 organization. Is there somewhere available the document that created The Federation? Has any author speculated about it? If there is "section 31" there should be other sections.
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Post by BeastBoy on Apr 20, 2023 14:34:24 GMT
Honest question. Where the name "Section 31" comes from? Has this ever being explained in-universe, in canon or in the novelverse? To me it evident that it alludes to a document, probably the charter document that constituted The Federation, inspired probably by the United Nations. If so the original signatories of the document should be aware of the "Section 31" phrasing that created S31 organization. Is there somewhere available the document that created The Federation? Has any author speculated about it? If there is "section 31" there should be other sections. From memory alpha: The organization's title came from the original Starfleet Charter, Article 14, Section 31, which allowed for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat.
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Post by Tupperfan on Apr 20, 2023 18:51:40 GMT
Honest question. Where the name "Section 31" comes from? Has this ever being explained in-universe, in canon or in the novelverse? To me it evident that it alludes to a document, probably the charter document that constituted The Federation, inspired probably by the United Nations. If so the original signatories of the document should be aware of the "Section 31" phrasing that created S31 organization. Is there somewhere available the document that created The Federation? Has any author speculated about it? If there is "section 31" there should be other sections. From memory alpha: The organization's title came from the original Starfleet Charter, Article 14, Section 31, which allowed for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat. Indeed, when we are introduced to one of their operatives, Harris, in Star Trek: Enterprise, he refers to the charter's article and section to justify his operations rather than using what I assume remains an somewhat informal name.
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Post by nombrecomun on Apr 21, 2023 4:39:26 GMT
Just make it what Yeoh was told it was going to be: Mission: Impossible in space. Have some fun with it. And, at the very least, buy some lights for your sets. That would be cool. She gets to be 'Bond'. There was talk to do a spinoff of her character in that movie back then. Or at least it was a rumour. However, we are talking about a general retcon of what we know of Section 31 as being somewhat of an underhanded secret organization subverting The Federation's own principles. Considering that nuTrek has shown The Federation to be rather weak, corrupt, etc... then who knows. S31 might be like the small department trying to save the galaxy.
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Post by MrPicard on Apr 25, 2023 17:10:58 GMT
Eh, it seems like an okay idea to me to turn this into a movie event. A whole series would probably have been too much. And too expensive indeed, given how much of a star Yeoh is now (and rightly so).
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 25, 2023 17:51:55 GMT
Eh, it seems like an okay idea to me to turn this into a movie event. A whole series would probably have been too much. And too expensive indeed, given how much of a star Yeoh is now (and rightly so). Yeah. I like a movie better, in particular, because these people have yet to prove to me that they can do a 10-episode story and keep it any sort of interesting.
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Post by scenario on Apr 25, 2023 18:04:04 GMT
Eh, it seems like an okay idea to me to turn this into a movie event. A whole series would probably have been too much. And too expensive indeed, given how much of a star Yeoh is now (and rightly so). Yeah. I like a movie better, in particular, because these people have yet to prove to me that they can do a 10-episode story and keep it any sort of interesting. Their obsessed with saving the galaxy. They'd be better off having smaller stories that last 1 or 2 eps with a 3 or 4 ep storyline to end the season.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 25, 2023 18:49:51 GMT
Yeah. I like a movie better, in particular, because these people have yet to prove to me that they can do a 10-episode story and keep it any sort of interesting. Their obsessed with saving the galaxy. They'd be better off having smaller stories that last 1 or 2 eps with a 3 or 4 ep storyline to end the season. Pretty much nothing in life carries with it the threat of imminent death. Not EVERYTHING in Star Trek is or has to be some galactic-scale doomsday event.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 26, 2023 0:49:31 GMT
Eh, it seems like an okay idea to me to turn this into a movie event. A whole series would probably have been too much. And too expensive indeed, given how much of a star Yeoh is now (and rightly so). Hey stranger!
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Post by MrPicard on Apr 27, 2023 8:17:24 GMT
Their obsessed with saving the galaxy. They'd be better off having smaller stories that last 1 or 2 eps with a 3 or 4 ep storyline to end the season. Pretty much nothing in life carries with it the threat of imminent death. Not EVERYTHING in Star Trek is or has to be some galactic-scale doomsday event. Just wait for them to turn this one into a "Section 31's gotta save the galaxy" movie event. lol
Oh and hi Sehlat!
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 27, 2023 16:29:15 GMT
Pretty much nothing in life carries with it the threat of imminent death. Not EVERYTHING in Star Trek is or has to be some galactic-scale doomsday event. Just wait for them to turn this one into a "Section 31's gotta save the galaxy" movie event. lol Oh and hi Sehlat! Well, yeah, because saving a few billion lives on ONE planet isn't good enough...unless that planet is Earth. Which, in fairness, is an attitude that would at least be understandable as far as S31 goes, but it's an attitude prevalent throughout most of Star Trek. Even in "The Last Generation" it's "iF EaRTh FalLs EVERythinG FaLLs." and they beat that drum for a good 10 seconds.
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Post by MrPicard on Apr 27, 2023 18:08:51 GMT
It would be super ironic if they gave the Section 31 movie - of all the stuff they have ongoing - a Trek plot that, for ONCE, has nothing to do with saving the galaxy or the Federation from whatever threat of the season there is. Something like making the whole plot an undercover mission to find an item they need for one of their Section 31 projects or something.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 27, 2023 18:53:01 GMT
It would be super ironic if they gave the Section 31 movie - of all the stuff they have ongoing - a Trek plot that, for ONCE, has nothing to do with saving the galaxy or the Federation from whatever threat of the season there is. Something like making the whole plot an undercover mission to find an item they need for one of their Section 31 projects or something. Let them race against The Tal'Shiar to find some Preservers artifact or something. Just go full spy yarn with it.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 28, 2023 0:09:05 GMT
Pretty much nothing in life carries with it the threat of imminent death. Not EVERYTHING in Star Trek is or has to be some galactic-scale doomsday event. Just wait for them to turn this one into a "Section 31's gotta save the galaxy" movie event. lol
Oh and hi Sehlat! So tired of "the entire galaxy's at stake" stuff. And nice to see you here, my friend!
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Post by MrPicard on Apr 28, 2023 8:38:36 GMT
It would be super ironic if they gave the Section 31 movie - of all the stuff they have ongoing - a Trek plot that, for ONCE, has nothing to do with saving the galaxy or the Federation from whatever threat of the season there is. Something like making the whole plot an undercover mission to find an item they need for one of their Section 31 projects or something. Let them race against The Tal'Shiar to find some Preservers artifact or something. Just go full spy yarn with it. You know what? This would make me want to watch it. Which would be something that hasn't happened to me with anything Star Trek in a long, long time.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Apr 28, 2023 16:53:27 GMT
Let them race against The Tal'Shiar to find some Preservers artifact or something. Just go full spy yarn with it. You know what? This would make me want to watch it. Which would be something that hasn't happened to me with anything Star Trek in a long, long time. "The Chase" worked really well with much the same formula.
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Apr 29, 2023 4:01:06 GMT
Let them race against The Tal'Shiar to find some Preservers artifact or something. Just go full spy yarn with it. You know what? This would make me want to watch it. Which would be something that hasn't happened to me with anything Star Trek in a long, long time. Something contained, I agree.
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