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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 20, 2023 22:42:45 GMT
Here.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 21, 2023 23:05:29 GMT
Is this the episode where we get a guest shot from Quark? "The Bounty." Hmmmm...
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 22, 2023 1:51:50 GMT
Picard has to break Archer out of Klingon jail.
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 23, 2023 13:07:15 GMT
Ok, so, this was definitely a down episode from last week. Too much fanwank, some decent stuff going on with characters, Geordi being all grown up was nice, but that amalgamated Android... really? And his corpse is what they were after? Why? The Moriarty thing was neat to add but total trailer fanwank. I would have thought they'd have pulled the cloak from the BoP for study, but maybe they put it back for the fleet museum. *shrugs*
This broke my brain.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 23, 2023 15:38:24 GMT
I...don't have words at the moment for how ----ing bad this episode was.
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 23, 2023 16:10:36 GMT
By my holy Spock, this was just awful!! Terrible soap opera, the Young and the Restless in space. Troi reduced to the damsel in distress trope!!!! F...U... "Picard"
So, that's it for Moriarty?!?! Like a xeroxed version to fulfilled some plot absurdity. What was that Data thing? I didn't even understood it. Why would anyone choose Data to be the memory core of Daystrom, and with Lore on it?!
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 23, 2023 16:58:52 GMT
On the Ready Room's tied to this episode Matalas said, without flinching, that what they set out to do with Daystrom representation was a "fine line between fan service and what actually going on on that world". His level of self-awareness is really low.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 23, 2023 17:01:29 GMT
On the Ready Room's tied to this episode Matalas said, without flinching, that what they set out to do with Daystrom representation was a "fine line between fan service and what actually going on on that world". His level of self-awareness is really low. I'm glad I don't watch those because I would be face-wall-ing right now. finance.yahoo.com/news/star-trek-picard-3-6-the-bounty-review-130030243.htmlEngadget has thoughts...that I largely agree with. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 23, 2023 17:52:09 GMT
On the Ready Room's tied to this episode Matalas said, without flinching, that what they set out to do with Daystrom representation was a "fine line between fan service and what actually going on on that world". His level of self-awareness is really low. I'm glad I don't watch those because I would be face-wall-ing right now. finance.yahoo.com/news/star-trek-picard-3-6-the-bounty-review-130030243.htmlEngadget has thoughts...that I largely agree with. Good article. Museums can be fun, if you approach them as a sort of springboard to further more knowledge. But as the writer correctly suggest, "Picard's" Daystrom mashup stress the worse aspect of museums: the domestication of knowledge. Static, stale and paralyzed, this is history with zero implication for the present, just a showcase of the past with no sense of agency or political will. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 23, 2023 18:37:47 GMT
I...don't have words at the moment for how ----ing bad this episode was. of this episode was a callback to something else. I feel like this season has been Patchwork Trek. And... *****SPOILERS!***** I realize Geordi is a family man now; so is Riker, and even Beverly/Picard, but why is every damn reunion on this show tense and uncomfortable?? Jeeezus. Did they not learn the lessons from "Nepenthe"? If you're going to do a reunion show, let the characters feel as good at seeing each other as we do. But seriously, even Geordi (arguably the most affable member of the Ent-D crew) has to be bitter, dark, resentful, angry, et al.And once again, what I wouldn't give for some f**king LIGHTS on those gorgeous, bajillion dollar sets... |
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Post by scenario on Mar 23, 2023 18:49:00 GMT
I...don't have words at the moment for how ----ing bad this episode was. of this episode was a callback to something else. I feel like this season has been Patchwork Trek. And... *****SPOILERS!***** I realize Geordi is a family man now; so is Riker, and even Beverly/Picard, but why is every damn reunion on this show tense and uncomfortable?? Jeeezus. Did they not learn the lessons from "Nepenthe"? If you're going to do a reunion show, let the characters feel as good at seeing each other as we do. But seriously, even Geordi (arguably the most affable member of the Ent-D crew) has to be bitter, dark, resentful, angry, et al.And once again, what I wouldn't give for some f**king LIGHTS on those gorgeous, bajillion dollar sets... I liked bits and pieces of it. A moment here and there. It was better than most of last year but that's setting a low bar. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 23, 2023 20:11:03 GMT
I...don't have words at the moment for how ----ing bad this episode was. of this episode was a callback to something else. I feel like this season has been Patchwork Trek. It is worse than a callback. Too often the word "callback" evoke negative connotations but that should not be always the case. A callback is after all a recognition that a cultural object do not exist on a vacuum, that there is a 50+ years history link to it and that some images have implications, past and present. Isn't "Trial and Tribble-ations" a callback? With Jadxia lustily eyeing after Spock, that story use time-travel to disguise a lovely callback to TOS.
But in the particular case of this dreadful "Picard" episode everything is stale, frozen in time, and the character and the plot move through the gallery of a dead society. Callback suggest interaction, some kind of relation, but in the static museum of "Bounty" the characters just are adrift like lost ghosts. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 0:16:06 GMT
I...don't have words at the moment for how ----ing bad this episode was. of this episode was a callback to something else. I feel like this season has been Patchwork Trek. And... *****SPOILERS!***** I realize Geordi is a family man now; so is Riker, and even Beverly/Picard, but why is every damn reunion on this show tense and uncomfortable?? Jeeezus. Did they not learn the lessons from "Nepenthe"? If you're going to do a reunion show, let the characters feel as good at seeing each other as we do. But seriously, even Geordi (arguably the most affable member of the Ent-D crew) has to be bitter, dark, resentful, angry, et al.And once again, what I wouldn't give for some f**king LIGHTS on those gorgeous, bajillion dollar sets... Well, because everything has to be "adult" now and "adult" means everyone barely tolerates each other. And, really, for contrast, maybe Geordi needs a LITTLE convincing, but not a lot and, hey, maybe HE hasn't completely ruined HIS relationship with HIS kids. Garak is right. It's all just a run of static winks and nods. The whole episode is like a visit to a museum. The only decent part of it was Picard Jr. with his dad in the bar and Seven on the bridge and even that was marred by, "Let's spend half the time commenting on old ships. Also... Really, the Bounty's cloak works against the Starfleet ships hunting them when that cloak was just about the same age as the one used on the Klingon ship that they sent K'eyhlr after? That cloak that took Geordi all of 30 seconds to crack 30 years ago. And, dear God, not just Data. Super Data. |
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Post by Sehlat Vie on Mar 24, 2023 4:30:15 GMT
Every single element of this episode was a callback to something else. I feel like this season has been Patchwork Trek. It is worse than a callback. Too often the word "callback" evoke negative connotations but that should not be always the case. A callback is after all a recognition that a cultural object do not exist on a vacuum, that there is a 50+ years history link to it and that some images have implications, past and present. Isn't "Trial and Tribble-ations" a callback? With Jadxia lustily eyeing after Spock, that story use time-travel to disguise a lovely callback to TOS.
But in the particular case of this dreadful "Picard" episode everything is stale, frozen in time, and the character and the plot move through the gallery of a dead society. Callback suggest interaction, some kind of relation, but in the static museum of "Bounty" the characters just are adrift like lost ghosts. ^ This is a brilliant post. In fact, it pretty much sums up much of PIC S3 a nutshell. It kind of feels like these characters, who wander around a dim, dark, depressing spaceship, are haunting their own pasts. *****SPOILERS***** And seriously; the cloaking device on the Bounty was LEFT INTACT??? You'd think Section 31 would've taken it and reverse-engineered the hell out of it. Not to mention that 25th century technology should've made that 23rd century 'advantage' obsolete long ago. Also, how would the cloaking device have 'accidentally' powered up after the ship sank, too? The Bird of Prey LOST all power when it splashed down in SF Bay. That is, to quote my favorite character, "highly illogical." |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 24, 2023 16:04:39 GMT
On the Ready Room's tied to this episode Matalas said, without flinching, that what they set out to do with Daystrom representation was a "fine line between fan service and what actually going on on that world". His level of self-awareness is really low. I'm glad I don't watch those because I would be face-wall-ing right now. finance.yahoo.com/news/star-trek-picard-3-6-the-bounty-review-130030243.htmlEngadget has thoughts...that I largely agree with. I couldn't find Engadget's comments, but that is a good article. A straight-up POV that is largely disagreed with in the comments. ... I'm still reeling from the idea that Starfleet would put James T Kirk's body in a vault and that there were TOS-style "life signs" sound FX emanating from it. Or that there's suddenly a second Genesis device because... well, because it's "cool." Don't shoot me, folks... there were bits I enjoyed. Again. Scenes. Disjointed moments, like the thrill of pleasure I got when Geordi saw Data. Or SuperPsychoData or whatever he is now. That was nice, tickling my deep nostalgia biology. I always really liked these two characters and their friendship so, yeah, that's gonna get me. I even liked Sidney's disagreement with her father, for the moment of heightened soap it provided. (Because nothin' here is drama.) I liked seeing the LaForge family together. I liked Seven zooming in on Voyager because NOSTALGIA and I certainly got the feels for the 1701-A. But this whole teleplay is reliant on such tricks. This is bad fanfic. No insult intended to writers of fanfic - I've read better out there than this hogwash. I agree completely with GarakNephew's assessment of callbacks and how they can work. Disengaged from meaning within a story, such devices become carnival pieces, attention-seeking devices that cause in the viewer a brief glow of pleasurable nostalgia. Cheap thrills. I actually like the idea of Geordi being the curator of a space museum in his later life. But why is Quo'nos I there? How? Why a Romulan Bird of Prey? Are these trophies? Are the governments of those star empires aware of their inclusion in a Starfleet museum? It's a bit like if the National Air and Space Museum put the Buran on display right now. (I discounted the idea of 'The Bounty' beforehand ever referring to the BoP from the movies. I didn't think anyone would go there. More fool me.) Nostalgia clearly sells. You don't even really need stories to make much sense anymore. |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 24, 2023 17:03:00 GMT
Why didn't they take the Defiant's cloaking device instead of one from a ship that's about 150 years old?
(Why am I doing this to myself?)
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 17:18:38 GMT
I couldn't find Engadget's comments, but that is a good article. A straight-up POV that is largely disagreed with in the comments. ... I'm still reeling from the idea that Starfleet would put James T Kirk's body in a vault and that there were TOS-style "life signs" sound FX emanating from it. Or that there's suddenly a second Genesis device because... well, because it's "cool." Don't shoot me, folks... there were bits I enjoyed. Again. Scenes. Disjointed moments, like the thrill of pleasure I got when Geordi saw Data. Or SuperPsychoData or whatever he is now. That was nice, tickling my deep nostalgia biology. I always really liked these two characters and their friendship so, yeah, that's gonna get me. I even liked Sidney's disagreement with her father, for the moment of heightened soap it provided. (Because nothin' here is drama.) I liked seeing the LaForge family together. I liked Seven zooming in on Voyager because NOSTALGIA and I certainly got the feels for the 1701-A. But this whole teleplay is reliant on such tricks. This is bad fanfic. No insult intended to writers of fanfic - I've read better out there than this hogwash. I agree completely with GarakNephew's assessment of callbacks and how they can work. Disengaged from meaning within a story, such devices become carnival pieces, attention-seeking devices that cause in the viewer a brief glow of pleasurable nostalgia. Cheap thrills. I actually like the idea of Geordi being the curator of a space museum in his later life. But why is Quo'nos I there? How? Why a Romulan Bird of Prey? Are these trophies? Are the governments of those star empires aware of their inclusion in a Starfleet museum? It's a bit like if the National Air and Space Museum put the Buran on display right now. (I discounted the idea of 'The Bounty' beforehand ever referring to the BoP from the movies. I didn't think anyone would go there. More fool me.) Nostalgia clearly sells. You don't even really need stories to make much sense anymore. As for Kirk in a vault with lifesigns? I would have given ANYTHING, I mean it. I would have forgiven everything to now and would forgive anything in these last episodes IF they had opened that vault and Chris Pine appeared for the rest of the season. Dear God, a sizeable portion of the fanbase would be apoplectic and I would be here for it. And, yeah, it's nothing against fanfic. I've read good fanfic. I've read 'hire these guys' fanfic. This is not that. This is middle school "I wanna see this and see that" stuff. This is high school "Emo angst is what I know" stuff. Oh, man. And, yes. They actually are trophies. there's no other explanation for them and, I dunno about the Romulans, but I don't think the Klingons would be down with the humiliation. Then there's the whole Troi thing. They aren't going to try to work a way out. They are going to air all their family laundry, wallow a while and then Riker's going to fold because there are two episodes left after that and Picard has hero-ing to do yet. This is Lower Decks on steroids, mainlined adrenalin, meth, and oxy. It's awful, but I'm now oddly fascinated with the trainwreck. BTW, Engadget is just the ultimate source of the Yahoo article. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 17:23:33 GMT
Why didn't they take the Defiant's cloaking device instead of one from a ship that's about 150 years old? (Why am I doing this to myself?) THAT I might actually buy. Far newer device, and modified quite a few times while it was on the Defiant already. THAT. I might buy that Geordi can make more effective against current tech. And, really, the more I think about Kirk in that vault, clearly some variation of alive, the more a crime against humanity that seems like. It's like keeping Pike in a vault. |
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 24, 2023 17:29:30 GMT
Why didn't they take the Defiant's cloaking device instead of one from a ship that's about 150 years old? (Why am I doing this to myself?) THAT I might actually buy. Far newer device, and modified quite a few times while it was on the Defiant already. THAT. I might buy that Geordi can make more effective against current tech. And, really, the more I think about Kirk in that vault, clearly some variation of alive, the more a crime against humanity that seems like. It's like keeping Pike in a vault. The Defiant that had the cloaking device was destroyed in the Dominion War. The one that's in the Fleet Museum may be the Defiant that finished the war, but they never said they got a new cloaking device for it from the Romulans. Also, I'm sure the Romulans would have wanted it back. |
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 18:00:45 GMT
Yeah, you're probably right. I don't recall them using it after that.
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 24, 2023 18:34:38 GMT
True. Even if Defiant II was outfitted with another cloaking device, they'd have to have given it back to the Romulans after the war. That was the agreement.
Is that really Troi? Or another Changeling? Where's Kestra? Is the second Genesis device a reincarnation of Khan? Is Kirk alive? Or is he, like Shrödinger's cat, infused with Nexus energy and now a physical portal into realms where everything is true?
TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR PICARD S3: ORGYFEST OF FANWANK FOR THE ANSWERS!
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Post by Yorick on Mar 24, 2023 18:44:21 GMT
This episode is perfect.
Try this thought experiment. I am going to ask you to consider the image or images that come to mind when I type the following.
The nineteen fifties.
Do you have an image or images in mind in mind?
Okay, next.
The nineteen sixties.
What do you see?
Next.
The nineteen seventies.
Got it?
Next.
The nineteen eighties.
Okay?
The nineteen nineties.
Were they very distinct? Unmistakable for one another in both big and fine brush strokes. What did you think of? Cars? From bulky and round, to sleek and winged, to blocky, to compact? TV: black and white to colour, of course, serious anthologies giving way to fantasy sit-coms, then espionage shows to gritty cop shows, to game changers like Seinfeld. Fashion: men with hats to no men with hats, women’s skirts going up, then down again, suits to flairs to pastels, no to mention people’s hair.
No try the same thing for the previous two decades.
The 2000s
Now the 2010s.
What did you see? Did you have to think a little harder? Did you have to hone in on detail? The devices? Particular movies or TV shows?
Sure, there was the rise of streaming and some of the outstanding shows to be found there. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, Games of Thrones.
But what about the look? The feel? The difference between the 50s and 60s is so much starker that that of the 2000s to 2010s.
Hence Picard: The Bounty. I don’t know how many times I’ve reflected on the concept of “cultural stagnation” after seeing a YouTube video on that subject a while back. We seem to have gone from bold strokes to, fearful minor tweaks. Major financial investment in movies rarely happens without reaching back into the safe past with its history of profit. What are the creations that have started in the past few years that will be fondly revisited and expanded upon in fifty? The 1960s Star Trek was a bold adventure trying to be innovative, at least to the extent allowed by the broadcast restrictions of the time. Picard: The Bounty was a call-back museum because because Star Trek doesn’t know how to be anything else any more. This is despite, in theory, a landscape where you’re allowed to show and do virtually anything. Allowed by the broadcast laws. By the corporate overlords, not so much.
It’s not Star Trek’s fault. There are four or five giant corporate organisms controlling 90% of everything, at least in the cultural west. You can do a cheap out-there production, but when there’s serious money involved, you’ve gotta have some guarantees. Nostalgia, member-berries, tropes and so on. For all the talk and sometimes complaints by grumpy YouTubers about the detrimental ascendency of “diversity,” the one place where it is the most lacking and the most missed is in creativity - stories and ideas.
I miss watching the 1960s Star Trek in the 1970s as a kid and having one of its ideas blow my mind. Duplicate Earths, parallel universes, time paradoxes, a twentieth-century Roman Empire.
The new(er) Battlestar Galactica did that too in my 30s, and in a different way Better Call Saul did that a couple of months ago - Howard Hamlin’s last scenes and how I felt about his character’s fate. But Galactica is now a couple of decades back (which is hard to believe) and BCS was a magnificent but relatively modest production.
Picard: The Bounty did something like that too (spoilers): someone rebuilt the Genesis Device (*aside - if they did that, they’re so idiotic that maybe Starfleet or whoever deserves everything that happens to them), Kirk’s body, 1701-A etc. I felt a little excited, you know? The member-berries released their endorphins. But almost at once I felt I was being drawn to the Dark Side. It wasn’t the same, just a cheap imitation, old synthahol that had been kept on a shelf too long. Then along comes the USS New Jersey which shorted out all the wiring in my OCD system: so, we’re NOT meant to see the SNW Enterprise is THE Enterprise? It WILL get a refit to look like the TOS ship? Which it already looked like when Pike visited Talos IV?
So Picard: The Bounty was perfect. A perfect encapsulation of everything that our culture has become, as Picard and Kirk have been stored in capsules. Why? We have to preserve the bodies of the dead, dying, old and tired because we need to keep using them.
It’s too risky to do otherwise.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 19:03:18 GMT
^^^
This is a wonderful post. Put it everywhere.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 19:10:05 GMT
True. Even if Defiant II was outfitted with another cloaking device, they'd have to have given it back to the Romulans after the war. That was the agreement. Is that really Troi? Or another Changeling? Where's Kestra? Is the second Genesis device a reincarnation of Khan? Is Kirk alive? Or is he, like Shrödinger's cat, infused with Nexus energy and now a physical portal into realms where everything is true? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR PICARD S3: ORGYFEST OF FANWANK FOR THE ANSWERS! If that Troi's a Changeling, I suspect Riker would suss it out pretty quickly...unless they can somehow copy memories. And, if they can, that's just another mark on my path to Jack Crusher/Nancy Crater bingo. Nah, they wouldn't do that to Kirk. Because that's just crazy enough to be potentially interesting. This show is not about that. This show just has James Kirk alive because then a fan can go, "OMG, Kirk's ALIVE ?!?!?!?! |
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Post by RobinBland on Mar 24, 2023 19:47:17 GMT
This episode is perfect. Try this thought experiment. I am going to ask you to consider the image or images that come to mind when I type the following. The nineteen fifties. Do you have an image or images in mind in mind? Okay, next. The nineteen sixties. What do you see? Next. The nineteen seventies. Got it? Next. The nineteen eighties. Okay? The nineteen nineties. Were they very distinct? Unmistakable for one another in both big and fine brush strokes. What did you think of? Cars? From bulky and round, to sleek and winged, to blocky, to compact? TV: black and white to colour, of course, serious anthologies giving way to fantasy sit-coms, then espionage shows to gritty cop shows, to game changers like Seinfeld. Fashion: men with hats to no men with hats, women’s skirts going up, then down again, suits to flairs to pastels, no to mention people’s hair. No try the same thing for the previous two decades. The 2000s Now the 2010s. What did you see? Did you have to think a little harder? Did you have to hone in on detail? The devices? Particular movies or TV shows? Sure, there was the rise of streaming and some of the outstanding shows to be found there. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, Games of Thrones. But what about the look? The feel? The difference between the 50s and 60s is so much starker that that of the 2000s to 2010s. Hence Picard: The Bounty. I don’t know how many times I’ve reflected on the concept of “cultural stagnation” after seeing a YouTube video on that subject a while back. We seem to have gone from bold strokes to, fearful minor tweaks. Major financial investment in movies rarely happens without reaching back into the safe past with its history of profit. What are the creations that have started in the past few years that will be fondly revisited and expanded upon in fifty? The 1960s Star Trek was a bold adventure trying to be innovative, at least to the extent allowed by the broadcast restrictions of the time. Picard: The Bounty was a call-back museum because because Star Trek doesn’t know how to be anything else any more. This is despite, in theory, a landscape where you’re allowed to show and do virtually anything. Allowed by the broadcast laws. By the corporate overlords, not so much. It’s not Star Trek’s fault. There are four or five giant corporate organisms controlling 90% of everything, at least in the cultural west. You can do a cheap out-there production, but when there’s serious money involved, you’ve gotta have some guarantees. Nostalgia, member-berries, tropes and so on. For all the talk and sometimes complaints by grumpy YouTubers about the detrimental ascendency of “diversity,” the one place where it is the most lacking and the most missed is in creativity - stories and ideas. I miss watching the 1960s Star Trek in the 1970s as a kid and having one of its ideas blow my mind. Duplicate Earths, parallel universes, time paradoxes, a twentieth-century Roman Empire. The new(er) Battlestar Galactica did that too in my 30s, and in a different way Better Call Saul did that a couple of months ago - Howard Hamlin’s last scenes and how I felt about his character’s fate. But Galactica is now a couple of decades back (which is hard to believe) and BCS was a magnificent but relatively modest production. Picard: The Bounty did something like that too (spoilers): someone rebuilt the Genesis Device (*aside - if they did that, they’re so idiotic that maybe Starfleet or whoever deserves everything that happens to them), Kirk’s body, 1701-A etc. I felt a little excited, you know? The member-berries released their endorphins. But almost at once I felt I was being drawn to the Dark Side. It wasn’t the same, just a cheap imitation, old synthahol that had been kept on a shelf too long. Then along comes the USS New Jersey which shorted out all the wiring in my OCD system: so, we’re NOT meant to see the SNW Enterprise is THE Enterprise? It WILL get a refit to look like the TOS ship? Which it already looked like when Pike visited Talos IV? So Picard: The Bounty was perfect. A perfect encapsulation of everything that our culture has become, as Picard and Kirk have been stored in capsules. Why? We have to preserve the bodies of the dead, dying, old and tired because we need to keep using them. It’s too risky to do otherwise. All of this. Superb post. The New Jersey... yeah. Me too. Lotta refits. What does the original Constitution class starship actually look like now? Hell if I know. |
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Post by nombrecomun on Mar 24, 2023 22:08:20 GMT
Agreed with everything posted. It was the worse of fanwanks. The only moment that I enjoyed was Seven's somewhat forlorn sentiment when she clicked on Voyager. Well acted and felt emotionally true. It's probably the only scene in all seasons of this series, aside from Data's unplugging in S1, that felt genuinely heartfelt.
As I was watching this ep I couldn't believe the first place they head back to is that g0ddamn bar set again!!!! Give it a rest guys. FFS.
I am also out of patience with Plummer's character. Originally somewhat amusing, now over welcomed as far as I'm concerned.
I suppose Matalas et al, feel that 'callbacks' make for a good show? I suppose enough people buy it.
My last thought on this, and I am sorry to say it, I am tired of Brent Spiner/Data. Whichever version. Just done.
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 24, 2023 22:17:52 GMT
Agreed with everything posted. It was the worse of fanwanks. The only moment that I enjoyed was Seven's somewhat forlorn sentiment when she clicked on Voyager. Well acted and felt emotionally true. It's probably the only scene in all seasons of this series, aside from Data's unplugging in S1, that felt genuinely heartfelt. As I was watching this ep I couldn't believe the first place they head back to is that g0ddamn bar set again!!!! Give it a rest guys. FFS. I am also out of patience with Plummer's character. Originally somewhat amusing, now over welcomed as far as I'm concerned. I suppose Matalas et al, feel that 'callbacks' make for a good show? I suppose enough people buy it. My last thought on this, and I am sorry to say it, I am tired of Brent Spiner/Data. Whichever version. Just done. They spent money on that sucker. We're getting our dimes out of it. As for Plummer, she's wearing thin for me, too because I still don't know what the ---- is going on. Since I don't know ANYTHING about her or what drives her, all she's doing is vomiting baddie ad-libs. There is no context for her and there's not going to be until episode 9.5. And yes, I am utterly finished with this never-ending stream of Datas and him playing every Soong. It's all just so hollow now. |
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Post by Garak Nephew on Mar 25, 2023 2:33:10 GMT
Matalas runner-up scheme for 3rd season finale:
And suddenly O'Brien and Bashir -on full Viking regalia- drop out of warp on a cloaked Xindi vessel and help The Doctor to extricate the Omega Particle that have taken residence inside Riker's colon.
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Post by ashleytinger on Mar 25, 2023 2:33:34 GMT
I'm trying to remember, did ANYTHING in the second season affect this season now? Other than some cast members not coming back? Like we could watch S1, skip S2, and start S3 without missing a damn thing?
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Post by Prometheus59650 on Mar 25, 2023 2:40:37 GMT
I'm trying to remember, did ANYTHING in the second season affect this season now? Other than some cast members not coming back? Like we could watch S1, skip S2, and start S3 without missing a damn thing? Quite literally. |
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I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT
I am so sorry...
Jul 14, 2024 1:18:27 GMT